And we ALL know that the superior prospect turns out to be the better player... See BrowningNagle's response. Ellington is raw, still "new" to football. Meanwhile, I don't remember who said it but on draft day someone called Saunders one of the most physical players in football and plays way bigger than his size. Couple that with his blazing speed and he's a pretty good PROSPECT.
the thing is that his combine scores were great. he was a top performer in agility drills and in the vertical. He's a bigger, better athlete than Saunders. He's basically Brandin Cooks profile athletically except with Saunders 4.4 speed. I think he's just one of those guys that flew under the radar all the way through draft day.
I agree he flew under the radar and I think he will be a good pro. he reminds me of steve smith of the panthers fame, similar style WR. I don't know enough nearly about Saunders in comparison to Ellington myself to bash the Jets for the pick. Maybe he will be good too who knows, but I was disappointed they passed on Ellington as that would've been an amazing 4th round selection for this team IMO.
That is not a ridiculous worry, if the player truly isn't passionate about the game then that worries me. It's a question-mark just like every other player. I've seen players that have come before Ellington that were in the same situation but did not plan out because his heart wasn't in the game. Besides the point, Saunders might be a better fit for the Jets in the long-term. He has more value to this team.
and yet Ellington the raw had equal/better production than Saunders while playing in the SEC on a team that threw the ball about 25% less than the Sooners did. Saunders is almost a record setting lightweight at 165 pounds with average 4.44 speed. AVERAGE, not blazing. name me one guy with these attributes who turned into a solid-good NFL player. pound for pound an ant is the strongest animal on the planet, but it'll still get crushed by something bigger. I hope Saunders turns into djax 2.0 but he's smaller and slower. The hope here is that in Marty we have a creative OC that can get him the ball in ways that he can use his skillset without getting leveled. That's my hope and god I do hope you can all bring this up and make me eat crow but with the data we have right now, that you are arguing Saunders over Ellington tells me what I already knew; that you are clueless. really, pathetic argument. some guy on draft day called Saunders "physical" oh ok then.
This is a little bit annoying because I feel like you are just throwing out one sentence blurbs from a CBS scout and a blogger dude over and over and I can't let it go because it pisses me off a little. My question is what more does he have to do to prove he's passionate about football?l? I'm telling you the guy almost begged for a shot at football AND quit basketball early because of football. Isn't that proof in itself that he is truly passionate about the game? Good grief! Or does he have to come out and film a documentary on how much he loves football? or does he have to have a brother in the NFL too to prove the family loves the game? oh -wait he already has that. If you love the Saunders pick over Ellington, please, I'm begging you come up with a different criticism of Ellington to champion your cause because this one is a joke. Or be a little more specific as to why you think Saunders is the better player in the long term. That I could go for because I don't know much about him, but I'm also not seeing much of anything from you on him.
I'll tell you what's annoying. A fan that claims to know more about a player then a scout. Are you Ellington's brother or something? I already listed reasons why Saunders might be a better fit for the Jets - Marty sees him as a Desean Jackson type player. http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/5/13/5713710/we-sort-of-drafted-desean-jackson-and-jeremy-maclin I saw Saunders perform in the bowl game against Alabama and he was a straight gamer, he plays bigger then his weight. Go back to that game and watch him light up Haha-Dix, the draft's best cover safety. He also has value in the return game.
Alright so Ellington and Saunders had similar production. Saunders has a quicker 40. The clear advantage lies in the weight difference in favor of Ellington. But me trying to argue Saunders over Ellington shows you I'm clueless? This is a bad case of "my opinion is fact"-icitis. He's smaller than DJax by less than an ince. He's slower by less than a tenth of a second. He's going to be playing for the guy that found a perfect role for DJax. I'm not saying he's going to be the next DJax, in fact I think it's a terrible comparison when you look at the strengths of both. I'm only bringing it up because you did. And bringing up how physical of a player he is was a retort to his size. Mayock said he's one of the strongest players in football... not something you usually hear about a guy that you're making out to be Muggsy Bogues. Why am I trying though? You know how their careers are going to pan out. I don't.
Ok, when you get a chance let me get Ellington's autograph. In terms of this roster, Saunders may be the better fit for the reasons I listed above. I was asked what negatives were there about Ellington's game, I provided them with context. Nothing else to say - I've seen plenty of SC games also, he's a good player - I wouldn't complain if we got him instead but you can't discount Saunders as well.
the sooners and gamecocks had the exact same number of pass attempts last year ... and the gamecocks had a far better qb than the sooners also, sec defenses were pretty weak last year your only valid argument is that ellington is heavier, other than that they are comparable prospects. this is nothing like hill vs jeffery ... now, can we stop hijacking the thread?
Wow. Too bad I didn't research the whole passing situation. I would have loved to make him look as dumb as you just did.
Lol Haha is an overrated Alabama hype product, in short I think he sucks so having a good game over him doesn't mean shit. I'll be happy as fuck if Jalen lights the league up, much more so than any of you because I appreciate what a true long shot it is. More realistic hope is that he's a good return man with some offensive utility. My whole argument was that all data points to Ellington as much better. I've already said why multiple times, I'm not gonna keep repeating myself because people can't comprehend. done with this thread.
Dix was rated as the best cover safety in the draft (I agree the kid is overrated, but he has natural cover skills). The Sooners didn't exactly have a good QB - I thought Saunders was very impressive that game. With the rules implemented in the NFL, you see more small shifty receivers making an impact - TY Hilton for example. Saunders, I think will contribute. For all the talk that he's too small to play, Saunders plays much bigger then his size. We have yet to see both play so it's tough to make this statement, to the other guy - he claims to know more than everyone else, acting like he's Ellington's brother give me a break for saying a bunch of opinionated bullshit, he should be done with this thread.
Convenient that the guy who gets caught flat out lying trying to back up his point is gracefully bowing out of the conversation...
I was talking in generalities of their careers, look at the last 3 year's this is off the top of my head so it might be off by one or two digits but it's something like gamecocks 24, 28, 29 Sooners 44, 40, 29 you twits
Yes, WE are the twits for taking a sentence you wrote as meaning what you actually wrote. What dopes. So basically in a year where pass attempts were exactly the same: Saunders - 61 catches, 729 yards, 8 TD Ellington - 49 catches, 775 yards, 8 TD But no, there's no comparing the two... right?
Wes Welker comes to mind. Slightly heavier but also significantly slower in the 40. There are plenty of guys in that size range that have been able to be major contributors in the league. I realize that there may be other arguments to be made, but the size argument seems rather flimsy. Two other things to consider are that Saunders has reportedly already put on 10 pounds in the offseason so there's no reason to think he can't add some bulk. And as others have pointed out, he was most likely drafted to be an immediate contributor in the return game which has been godawful the past couple of seasons. For that reason alone he may turn out to be the wiser pick. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.
so pick the better player : player A 4.44 speed vertical average agility average strength below average 165lbs player B 4.45 speed vertical top performer agility top performer strength above average 200lbs.
