I don't think kerley is great or anything but I am very surprised at the lack of respect he gets on here especially considering the awful SHIT we've had at WR and QB during his tenure. Kerley is definitely not a jag ... He'd probably be a 60-80 catch, close to 1000 yard receiver with a top qb imo.
Peyton Manning had Wes Welker as his slot receiver and WW put up 73 catches for 780 yards in 13 games. Do you think JK would provide that kind of production? Those numbers you predict JK would put up with a top QB would be clear #2 WR production. If you have a top QB and JK is your #2 WR than you aren't getting your QB the ingredients he needs to do some quality cooking. While JK was a quality piece on a horrendous offense - if you are looking to build a league average offense or better JK is JAG. I'd be happy to have him on a cheap deal but he isn't worth spending anymore than a 2-3 mill a year average salary over 2-3 years imo.
I like Kerley but no chance. Only like 20 guys cross the 1,000 yard which is less than one per team so you've got to make the argument that he's both 1) a true #1 option and 2) a better 1 receiver than half the league. He's an above average player who's clutch but he's not someone who's going to consistently get you 80 yard games with multiple games over 100. He's a good slot and complimentary guy but no way he puts up fantasy type numbers like that even if you stick him on Denver or Chicago. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...&archive=false&conference=null&qualified=true
hrm, ignoring the misnomer's of a #1 or #2 WR (barf) thats the part that I heavily disagree with. No, if you are looking to build a league average offense or better JK is the guy you want complimenting your offense because he's a quality piece in his own right. This is the guy you don't let go without a CLEAR instant upgrade if you want your growing offense to take the next step. he's not elite, but he's not a JAG either. My biggest fear is that we move on with inferior receiving options in a bit of cheapness leaving our receiving options that much more bare of reliable talent. something this steady shouldn't be passed up over a couple million unless the demands are ridiculous.
I agree. Just judging the guy with past stats in the offenses he was playing in is a joke. And comparing his stats with the Welker at the Broncos is a bigger joke. But if people are obsessed with stats, look at this: Welker went from going 67 catches, 687 yds and 1 TD in Miami to 112 catches, 1175 yds and 8 TDs in New England. Those were in his 4th and 5th seasons, respectively. Kerley is now in his 4th season. He had a better year in his 3rd season than Welker had in all three of his first 3 seasons combined. That may be an unfair comparison, but no more unfair than the way stats are being used to downplay Kerley's performance. If people really understand football and want to know how good he is, they should watch the coaches film and enjoy the clinic he puts on corners. It's a lot of fun to watch.
come to think of it, using this year to up the difference might make signing him long term pretty easy. I like the idea of giving him a signing bonus as a guaranteed salary. picture him making this amount in an annual deal: 2014-15: 1.5-2 million base salary 2016-17: 4-5 million base salary now add another 1.5 from a signing bonus on top of that. 2014-15: 2.5-3 million dollar cap hit 2016-17: 5.5-6 million dollar cap hit thats a good deal for both parties. For the jets they get a potential steal on contract for another 3 years. if something better comes up, no fear, he's on essentially a two year deal anyway as he's able to be cut with about 2.5 million in savings in 2016 should they want to move on. His cap hit is TINY at first and only moderately large at best later on. For Kerley, he gets 6 million in his pocket(the same amount as edelman and welker), and a good deal of money waiting for him in the back end of the contract that should be competitive with what he makes in the open market. I CHALLENGE somebody to say this is a bad deal. seriously argue or critique, its offseason and I'm a bored jets fan, this is my fix for now.
Jeez, Welker >>> Kerley. Welker is a sharper route runner, has a quicker first step, has a lower center of gravity, and is more dynamic in general. Again, I heart Kerley just like everyone else. But you don't overpay a guy like him while you're building an offense. JK is a perfect plug-in for a team with an established quarterback and a well-oiled offense. For a rebuilding offense, you want to create a dynamic foundation at the skill spots first, then see what you're missing and fill those spots with relatively cheap, reliable guys if possible. My point is that Kerley is simply worth more $$$ to other teams at this time than he is to the Jets.
I'm confused by this. So in order to rebuild an offense one must find a dynamic player and build around them? okay, sure... but heres where the logic gets away from me, why does that include not signing proven contributors like Kerley on a moderate sized deal with probably not a great amount of length while searching for one? the logic I'm getting here is that one should get a superstar and build around their strengths and weaknesses, ignoring quality that might already exist because it wasn't based on filling the gaps that player leaves. that seems... foolish, to me talent is talent and the guy thats been consistently solid on poor part of your offense is a worthy asset to keep around, but maybe I'm misinterpreting you're meaning. I just don't get why a guy like Kerely is more valuable to a pre-etabilshed offense than the one he's proven to be an asset to. the cap space issue seems negligible at best if logic is applied to the situation, he won't be paid THAT much, and we're in no way strapped for cash so whats the problem?
It's not a problem until we pay above market price. Kerley is a nice slot player with good hands. Great. Every team can use that. He's worth X dollars to us, just like he's worth X dollars to about 30 other NFL teams. And X is reasonable. But there will be 1 or 2 teams that are looking for exactly what Kerley brings. That's my point. They will specifically want him for a certain role to get them over the hump, and for that reason they will offer him not just X, but Y, to fill that role. The Jets should not be bidding against that. The Jets have no idea what they have on offense right now. None. Jeremy Kerley is not a special fit for us. He's a good guy and a good player, but he doesn't excel at getting separation, he doesn't go up for balls, and he's not explosive. That means he's not going to help Geno make the leap. He's just not. Players who can help Geno make the leap are a fit for us right now. Hey, if we get him on the cheap, I love it. But at this stage, the Jets shouldn't be bidding against teams that want specifically what Kerley brings.
"He's not going to help Geno make the leap" Did you even watch the Jets last year? Kerley (along with Nelson and Winslow) was Geno's most reliable target. And you want to take away a guy that Geno has built a rapport with? You want to take away a guy that Geno trusts? Isn't the part of developing a QB is keeping his most trusted weapons in place?
I am not trying to say Kerley is as good as Welker. Obviously that's not the case - Welker has done far more in this league and at this time is the better player. He's also not a JAG. He's somewhere between JAG and Welker which is a huge gap, but I'd say he's closer to Welker than JAG. He does run nice routes with quick feet that create separation, has good hands and can make things happen after the catch. I think he'd put up similar numbers to what Welker did in 13 games in Denver last year if he were in that offense. I thought abyzmul made a good point about where Kerley is in his career compared to Welker. Kerley really has had shit to work with in terms of QB and the players around him yet he still managed to be a solid receiver for us. It's not unreasonable to think he could make a big jump in a better offense with a better QB. I don't get how the one good receiver we have had is under appreciated on here and considered a JAG by some. Seems crazy to me. I also don't think we should over pay him but I don't think there's any reason at this time to think he's going to demand he gets over paid. Maybe we're a bit jaded by Revis and the Tanny era in general? There's also as of right now a very talented group of WR's currently scheduled to be FA's in 2015 so that would likely drive his price down if he did in fact hit the market. Obviously a lot will change between now and then and that list will look quite different.
Completely agree. I'm really shocked at how little value people are putting on Kerley as a part of the Jets O. When we had Sanchez at QB the constant refrain was that he never had any consistency at WR and it was seen by most as a major part of why he struggled. Now we have another young QB trying to get his feet under him and people have no problem dumping the guy that's easily been his best, most reliable target. It makes no sense. When they let Cotch go we saw what happened. Sure, the circumstances of his departure may have been different but I think he played a very similar role for us. IMO that was basically what started the revolving door swinging and it's really never stopped swinging since. If they continue to juggle the WR position they're going to completely undermine Geno's chances to succeed. The other thing I don't get is why people are concerned that we're going to overpay him. He's not a superstar that's going to start a bidding war on the open market, nor does he have any history of holding out for more money or anything that would raise those types of concerns. Where are all these assumptions coming from? Personally, I'd rather see him paid a little bit more than see the team once again let go their most reliable WR. He's in his prime, not injury prone, and has never had a 'me first' attitude. I would be extremely pissed if they let him go over a small amount of cash.
Julian Edelman's contract is actually a good reference for Kerley's new contract. 4 years 17 mil is what Edelman got. Kerley should get around the same ball-park.
Edelman can at least field a punt and bring it upfield a few yards though. I swear if Kerley never returns another punt I will be happy.
Unfortunately it's really hard to tell just how good Kerley might be, playing in a rag-tag offense with a very inconsistent Rookie QB, an O-Line that didn't seem to care, and no help behind him. What we do know is the offense played better when he was in there. But that wasn't enough to prevent Idzik from drafting his heir apparent. In Kerley's case, I feel the writing is on the wall, not the contract.
His heir apparent? We draft a receiver in the 4th who has similar measurables and that automatically means Kerley's days are numbered? He hasn't even gotten to his first TC yet. That theory seems fairly ridiculous to me, no offense. Also, why are people knocking Kerley because of his return game? He was fielding kicks because we basically had no other options not because he was our first choice to fill that role. I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to be extra conservative on returns because if he had been injured our WR corps would have gone from bad to just downright horrible. I don't see drafting a potential return guy as a threat to Kerley's position on the team.
