Agree. If they were trading up to secure a QB, I'd have little issue with the trade. But for a wide receiver, Watkins now HAS to be one of the top 4 receivers in the NFL for this trade to work. And even then, maybe not.
Exactly. If he turns out great, that's not good enough. To make this trade worth it, he needs to be Megatron good. When you trade away future picks, your best receiver, and into the top 5, he better pan out as a Hall of Famer. That's a HUGE risk.
Even then he's not worth the price. Megatron is a great player but the Lions have made the playoffs once in his career. They've been over .500 once in his career. WR's just don't have the impact that we commonly ascribe to them. If you have everything else then a great WR is a wonderful thing to have but you're not going to win anything just because you have a great WR.
McKelvin put it all together and had the best year of his career last year. Gilmore is a stud. We had one of the top rated nickel corners last year in Robey and we signed one of the other top nickle corners last year in Corey Graham. For Bills fans, S Aaron Williams was one of the best and underrated players last year on our D with the move to safety. We dont know who the other safety will be yet. To say the secondary is "shot" because we haven't figured out one starter yet in May is kind of ridiculous.
If you think the Bills are less talented this year then you have not paid attention to the offseason. The only player we lost in free agency was Byrd. The Bills upgraded at multiple positions this offseason, namely WR, RB, OL, DL, LB, CB. They added guys like Sammy Watkins, Cyrus Kouandjio, Brandon Spikes, Corey Graham, Bryce Brown, Keith Rivers, etc. Plus you have a QB and WRs going into their second year where the biggest jump is usually made (Manuel, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin). Spiller will finally be back on two legs, and we've upgraded both our LG and RT positions. We added depth along the d-line, and fixed our biggest weakness which was stopping the run. We brought in a true MLB with Brandon Spikes who is a top run defender, and moved Kiko Alonso to his more natural spot, weakside LB. We also added to the secondary but lost Byrd. I dont see how you could possible think the Bills got less talented with everyone (including the head coach) going into their second years in the league AND in the system. Oh and PS, I havent come here proclaiming anything "year after year." You must be confusing me with Buffalo Fissco. I havent once predicted the Bills would make the playoffs before.
LOL dude... this has to be one of the dumbest posts I've seen on this board. The guy has to be a hall of famer? WHAT? Wow.
Lol, the two best players in the draft went after nine (Donald and shazier) and I'm not an expert on the Bills roster but I think they needed upgrades on the DL or at OLB more than at WR.
Maybe they really like what they see in EJ and they are determined to put a lot of weapons around him.
The answer then would be to spend a lot of draft picks on potential weapons. They just spent 3 picks on one player and he's a rookie WR who is likely to have some bumps in the road this season as most rookie WR's do. I think the problem the Bills had is there was no WR likely to be available at 9 who they thought was good value on that pick. Same situation for TE's. The right answer was probably to trade down and grab 3 or 4 guys with their 1st and 2nd and the picks acquired by trading down. If you're the Bills GM what you want is to get enough offensive value out of the early part of the draft that somebody is going to come through for you right away, maybe a couple of somebodies. If Watkins gets hurt you can just drive a stake through the heart of the Bills for the next few seasons. That's a terrible risk to take right after you drafted a guy to be your QB.
When you trade 2 first round picks for a player at a non-premium position like wide receiver, I really don't think that's far off. Like I said, he has to be one of the top few receivers in the league for a while for this trade to work out. If he does that, he could certainly be a Hall of Famer. If he's not a top receiver, the trade didn't work out. Besides, Tajh Boyd made Sammy Watkins anyway! [/SARCASM]
I keep seeing this Gilmore shit from Buffalo people and I just have to shake my head. What has he done? Seriously? He's still a question mark. He doesn't deserve to be chalked down as a good CB yet and absolutely doesn't shouldn't be called a stud. If you are just trolling than you might as well go all out like that Buffalo Psycho guy instead of openly mocking him and trying to play the sane buffalo fan card, because you are just as bad. at least he admits to being a troll - i can respect that. McKelvin and Williams played better last year but I have a feeling it had to do with having Pettine coach them up. It seems odd that they would just figure it out one random year in a career of being crappy (that happens to be the year Pettine rolls into town). I expect a drop off in both of their games this year. You guys have talent on offense but the defense will be what holds you out the playoffs this season. Hiring Schwartz was a head scratcher to say the least. He will be this year's scapegoat for when you guys are pissing and moaning in december again........
Wait wait wait... I'm a "troll" because I think Stephon Gilmore is good? Do you realize that you would hold the minority opinion in saying he is not good? He struggled in the first few games of the season as a rookie, and then proceeded to allow just 53.5 percent of passes thrown at him to be completed in his final 11 games, with no touchdowns allowed, while covering the opposing team's best wideout.... AS A ROOKIE. Last year he missed the first 5 games of the year with a broken wrist. He came back and held opposing quarterbacks to average passer rating of 36.1, again while shadowing the best wideout. What do you have to back up the idea that Gilmore is not a "good" CB? My opinion that he is good is far from being a troll. That hilarious. And to your comment about the secondary improving as a whole, they all gave credit to Donnie Henderson for their success, not Pettine (Donnie is still the secondary coach this year). The reason Aaron Williams went from sucking to very good was not because of the defense, it was because he switched positions from corner to safety.
You are a bit of a troll for a lot more reasons than your opinion of Stephon Gilmore, don't worry it's not just that. With Gilmore, you have a half a season where he struggled and another season where he missed half the season. He may have played well in the other games, but he has to do a lot more than just that before I'd consider him a "stud" to use your words or even to definitively call him a good NFL CB. I watched him very closely in college, he's an amazing athlete but he gambles a lot and can be caught napping. I'd like to see him play well for at least a full NFL season before I would call him good. You are just trolling with that Donnie Henderson crap. All year Pettine was god to you Bills fans, now that he's gone all the credit goes to Donnie Henderson. Nice. I'm sure the players had nothing but good things to say about him though to the media, just like they had nothing but good things to say about Pettine and just like every player says good things about every coach for the most part to the media. I know Aaron Williams was moved to safety and that's not something I would feel confident in going forward if I was a Bills fan.Giving him the money that they did and not paying for Byrd will be a mistake. The system on that D will be very different and I think it will take a large step back. I am eager to see you whine about Schwartz though and throw him under the bus come december..got to have a scapegoat
If you think it makes sense for a 6-10 team, with a respectable group of receivers and a huge ? at QB, to trade a future 1st round pick to draft a receiver, then you have absolutely no ground to call out anyone for making dumb posts.
If you think two first round picks for a receiver is valid currency for a guy that just scratches elite level a couple of times but isn't a top league elite game changer for a number of years... aka HOFer... you've either gotten way too used to the Bills sucking ass, or you are using denial as a defense mechanism.
You do realize you just traded away multiple picks and your best receiver on your roster? You do realize you did all that for a rookie wide receiver who has never played a down in the National Football League? Yet you think it is out of bounds to expect that said player to be a hall of famer or bust? Are you joking? We aren't talking about a second round or late first round talent. We are talking about a team trading away multiple picks, their best receiver, into the top 4 picks to take a receiver. That demands hall of fame play. I'm sorry but it does.
Watkins could go to the hall of fame and the trade still be a failure. It will be judged based on the Bills record over the next 5+ years. If they're still the same sad franchise they've been over the last decade then people will look at the trade as an act of desperation that failed. If they trend upwards and start making the playoffs it will be seen as a success. Calvin Johnson is going to go to the hall of fame and the Lions have been a bad team with him on the roster.
sorry that's too much of a reach. if he's a hall of famer then obviously this trade worked out, whether the Bills continue to suck has to do with a thousand other factors not related to this trade. CJ is such a bad comparison, the Lions were a bad team with Barry, they've been a bad team their whole existence, that's not CJ fault and clearly he's helped make them at least competitive at times. God, Bradway you make me side with fucking Jill's fans over you, you are the worst sir.
