Is Johnson really forcing Idzik to keep Rex

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  1. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    I see on here a lot that people are saying Idzik is being forced by Woody to keep Rex. But most of these same people saying that Idzik is building the Jets like he helped to in Seattle. If that is the case then that means Idzik wants to build a strong defense? Can you think of anybody out there you would rather coaching this D?
     
  2. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    I would like Rex to stay for the next 10+ years.. He is the best thing that has happened to this team since Parcells... If we let him go, the defense is going to take a tremendous tumble.
     
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    I agree with Biz; Guy has created a aura about our team and I enjoy it
     
  4. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I like having Rex as our coach. Woody definitely forced Rex on Idzik in the first year, that's not debatable. No way he forced 2 years on Rex. Jets decided to
    extend him when they were 7-8. If Idzik wanted his guy, he didn't have to do that.

    The question always was just how much did Idzik approve of Rex and how long would his leash be? We still don't really know the answer to that.

    I tend to think Rex and Idzik have very similar mindsets towards building a team, as the Seattle/Baltimore formulas are not very different. Play great defense, get a smash mouth running game, and try to develop a young QB to go with them. On paper the biggest thing standing in the way of them working together was Rex's larger-than-life personality. A year later, the tone of the organization has turned 180 degrees, so clearly Rex is malleable.
     
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    After seeing Idzik's locker room speech after the season ending win over Miami it left no doubt that he is all in with Rex as HC.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    The defense would likely still be solid no matter who is coaching (within reason of course). I would hope so anyway considering the investment (high draft picks) that's been put into it in the last half decade. Also, let's not act like the defense has been lighting the world on fire the last few years. Last year they were 19th in points per game!
     
  7. Jay Bizniss

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    The drop off would be tremendous.. I am not saying Dennis T isn't a good coach, but he can't hold Rex's jockstrap when it comes to coaching defense. These guys feed off of Rex and his energy.. I just can't see any other coach coming in here and getting the same production out his guys that Rex does...

    There are a limited number of coaches in all sports that guys would kill themselves for. Rex is one of those coaches.
     
  8. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Don't agree. Playmakers don't make a defense, the ability to put them in position to succeed does.

    Last year our secondary fell apart, I do blame Rex for not adjusting when it became apparent that Cro was next to useless in single coverage, but I'm not going to say that Rex is easily replaceable. He has his weaknesses as a coach, but every coach does.

    I'm gambling that he makes some adjustments this year that can bring the defense back to the forefront of the league again.
     
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    The whole Woody forcing Izdik to keep Rex is nothing but a meaningless mantra. A lot of Jets fans hate Woody Johnson and think he's this evil shadow government of the Jets that forces them to make stupid decisions that are more about media attention than winning. Of course there is literally nothing that supports this other than speculation and a few odd quote mines. I think Rex and Idzik have similar visions of where they want the team to go and are on the same page. Nobody is forcing anything on anybody. If Idzik doesn't like the direction that Rex is taking the team, Rex will probably be gone.
     
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    Unlikely. The Jets D climbed 15 points in standing going from Mangini to Rex and only a handful of players changed on the D.

    And the Jets D giving up points is because the D can only hold the fort so much. When the Offense is 29th in the league in points, that puts a tremendous strain on the D to come up with stops every time. They were playing from behind more than not. Eventually the bending turns into a break.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    You need to find reality first before I continue to converse with you.
     
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    He's a good defensive coach, I'm not arguing against that. I guess I would just say that I doubt there would be that big of a drop off in the caliber of defensive play if were to be let go. It's not like he's working with a bare cupboard is all I'm saying.

    If they were to hire an offensive-minded coach I acknowledge there would be some drop off with the defense, I just personally don't think it would be that significant. The question is whether you would take that drop off along with better offensive play in the scenario of hiring an offensive-minded head coach. My answer is yes I would take that for sure.
     
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    2009- Rex did a great job with the D. But that was 5 years ago.

    As to your second paragraph, I might be on board if Rex was the DC, but he's the HC so the fact that the offense has been terrible yet again, isn't an endorsement of his coaching abilities it's an indictment of his poor job with that side of the ball, and as HC in general.
     
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    At first Rex was forced on Idzik. But they have similar views on the direction of the team so ultimately this is Idzik's call to keep Rex on board.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's your right to believe that, just as it's my right to think that you are tragically incorrect.
     
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    QB is the most important position on the field, by far, and we have yet to have even a mediocre QB since Rex came aboard. It's pretty remarkable that we have won as many games as we have during Rex's tenure.
     
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    How many Super Bowls did Peyton Manning win? How many offensive records has he set? What good is going 11-5 every year if you can't even get past the WC round cause your defense has holes like a colander. The Jets, Baltimore, Seattle, SF49, and even the Giants proved that you don't need an Elite QB/Elite Offense to win a SuperBowl. Just a good enuff QB and good enough offense and a great D.

    While 70 yard bombs for TDs and 49 points on the scoreboard is fun, I'd much rather hang 13 or 17 on the opposing team and have our D leave the field with a shutout. To me its much more exciting seeing a blitz play build and the QB get sacked on the blind side or a long pass INT'd than seeing dink dink dink passes.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Don't you think part of a HC's job should be managing AND/OR developing the QB position correctly? Especially since you acknowledge it's the most important position on the field
     
  19. Geno007

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    How about score 49 points and pitch a shut out?
     
  20. Br4d

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    I'd be really surprised if Idzik thinks he could find a better coach than Rex to coach this roster. What you hope to get out of your coach is somebody who keeps the team motivated and playing hard and who could go on a run and win it all if everything breaks right. Rex is that guy to a T.
     
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