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  1. MikeSLTJ23

    MikeSLTJ23 Well-Known Member

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    Because the trade was for the pick. I think the trade itself was of fine value. I don't think the player is. I think you can separate the two. There were players on the board I think were worth the pick...I just don't think Watkins was.
     
  2. strngplyr

    strngplyr Well-Known Member

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    You answered your own question. You called picks 7-32 a toss up. Why not trade back and pick up more players to potentially hit on if you believe that the final 25 players in round one all have an equal chance to make an impact?

    I also agree that teams with a strong roster benefit more from depth and developmental guys in the draft and the successful teams are the ones who believe in having a strong bottom half of the roster as well. Often the difference between the final 4 or 8 teams may be injuries. They all obviously have very strong rosters to get to where they are and when you're playing and extra 3 or 4 games in a season you need more good fresh legs. You get those by drafting more players and developing over time.

    It's simply not feasible to have an entire roster of all stars and you'll never hit on every draft pick either. Even a ton of top 5 picks never even sniff a pro bowl, the draft is far from a sure thing.

    When you draft in the final 4 to 8 picks on a regular basis your chance of finding a superstar is obviously lower than a team picking top 10. At that point I prefer quantity over unknown quality. More chances to hit on a good player.
     
  3. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    A team only makes the trade if the player they want is available so to look at the picks traded without taking the player into account really does not give a good indication if it was a good trade or not IMO.
     
  4. JetBlue

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    you guys are actually arguing about this with this troll?

    Watkins was undoubtedly the consensus top WR in this draft. not even close.

    great pick in isolation by the Bills and undoubtedly makes them better this year.

    will he be worth next years first as well? who the hell knows, but that 1st doesn't do anything for them this season anyways.

    but if he improves the team enough that he makes them a desirable destination for free agents, that has value as well.

    the rest of Pyscho's trolling should obviously not be worth responding to.
     
  5. Barcs

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    Michael Sam is the new Tim Tebow. He'll have a new article every day. Today they dedicated an entire article to what number he's going to wear this year. Because that's totally how 7th round draft picks should all be treated.
     
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  6. hobgoblin

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    A 6-10 team that already has a respectable group of WR's, and a questionable QB, doesn't trade a future first rounder to select a WR. Especially when there were other solid receivers to be had in the position in which they were drafting.
    It's indisputable that it doesn't make sense.

    Are the Bills a better team with Watkins, next year? Quite possibly. Are they a SB contender? Absolutely not. They're arguably the 2nd best team in the AFC East, and I don't think anyone would put them in the top 6 for the conference.

    They made a move that suggests they believe they'll be contenders, this season. Otherwise, why would you mortgage the future? If EJ Manuel has another lackluster season, and the Bills finish with a top-10 pick, this move will set the franchise back two years, at least.
     
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  7. JetDan

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    Norwood lines up for the field goal. It is up, WIDE RIGHT
     
  8. Bills over Jets

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    What I was trying to convey was that I do not believe this was a typical draft year where most of the players in the first round will be very good. I didnt like the majority of players valued around pick 9 or after. Undoubtedly some of those players will end up being very good. This year felt different for me in that it was harder to tell which players those were. The players I did like did not fit need-wise with the Bills roster (I liked the corners, for example).

    In a normal year, yeah, trade back and get an extra pick. The guy you moved down for will still be good, and the difference between where you originally were and where you moved to is negligible. I didnt feel that way this year. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just wasn't thrilled with a lot of the players.
     
  9. Bills over Jets

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    I dont like to make opinions sound like facts, but I really dont think you can argue that the Bills roster besides the QB spot is not playoff caliber. There are studs almost everywhere you look. But the Bills know they wont go to the playoffs if they cant get the QB on the same page. If the QB does progress, they want to be ready so they can contend.
     
  10. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    The Bills have a chance. The offense has playmakers, and the defense has some talent as well. However, the Bills haven't earned the benefit of the doubt based on history.
     
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  11. Passepartout

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    Yeah as wonder how sick and tired Sam is of answering questions about his sexuality as he only wants to play football. But no the media won't let him do that.
     
  12. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Don't worry guys Watkins will leave in like 4 years anyway, just like Lynch did.
     
  13. strngplyr

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    Michael Sam signed himself of for a documentary about himself on the Oprah Network, he *says* that all he wants to do is be "Michael Sam, the football player", yet his actions say something entirely different. If you think for even a second that Michael Sam pulled the plug on the show on his own, you're crazy.

    Jeff Fisher and pressure from his new Rams teammates pulled the plug on his show. Sam is a Diva, not a football player. I have absolutely no issue with his sexuality, I have an issue with how hes using it as a stage for himself, NOT the gay community. You can't be "just a football player" and sign yourself up for documentaries about your personal life when you're the first openly gay player to enter the NFL. You need to be a lot more professional than that. Make the team and make an impact, then in 4 or 5 years when you're established as a team player, revisit your past.

    The media doesn't bother him, he's begging for their attention right now. You're not "Michael Sam, the football player", you're still "Michael Sam, the gay football player", because that's what you're choosing.
     
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  14. abyzmul

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    This would be a better response in the Michael Sam thread, but yeah, agree with all of this.
     
  15. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    Your secondary is shot.. Gilly is the only one you have back there that is decent. McKelvin will get benched once again, and who is playing safety? You?
     
  16. strngplyr

    strngplyr Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, for sure, unfortunately I was responding to someone here, haha.
     
  17. strngplyr

    strngplyr Well-Known Member

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    Agree with this, the Bills have had playmakers for a few years now, you can argue that this years team is actually LESS talented after losing one of the leagues best play making DB's and not replacing him, yet even with their talent the last few seasons what have the accomplished?

    The answer: Mediocrity

    The only thing they've proven consistently is that they crumble under pressure. You need to earn respect, and all the Bills have earned is the opinion stating that they can't put their pieces together.

    I don't frequent any Bills boards, so this guy might be the exception of a fan, but at least the Jet's fans understand that they have talent but need to put it all together, Bills Over Jets could learn something from that instead of showing up here EVERY offseason gloating about his team that ultimately finishes 6-10 and in the basement every season. Nobody will respect that program until they put all the talent together. Until then you're just the Cowboys from 2008-2013, a team filled with pro bowlers who can't elevate the team out of mediocrity and forever doomed to 8-8 seasons.
     
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  18. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    Ding ding ding ding ding.
     
  19. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's just hard to imagine that giving up a top 10 pick plus another pick plus a likely future top 10 pick was good value.

    If the Bills had been drafting a QB I might be willing to concede the move if not the value involved. That they drafted a WR makes the move seem positively Millen-esque.
     
  20. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    EJ Manuel is going to suck this year, and the Bills are going to end up going 4-12 which will be great in terms of draft position.. Oh wait.
     

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