We got good players in the 2nd and 3rd already. Don't forget if we got Lee we would't have Amaro, and would have less WR's and CB's for competition and ST. A 6th round pick is not more valuable than a 3rd obviously, but it's not like you're trading 1 for 1.
Idzik tried to trade up actually in the 2nd round. Probably for Marquis Lee. I agree with you though about not moving up. Especially with trying to get offense
I guess it all depends on your degree of confidence in Idzik's competency level in making and closing these kind of deals. I've been told, read and believe that he tried to move up to the bottom of the first and top of the second. Apparently, they fell through. Maybe he was too stingy, too slow or too stupid, who knows. At this point Idzik has yet to built the kind of cache that would have me automatically give him the benefit of the doubt. In the end, it may turn out that staying put was a brilliant move. But as of right now, it just seems to me we allowed the flexibility of having all those picks go to waste.
I think the OP wanted us to use those extra tickets to buy our way up a round or 2 at some point in the draft.
You've been told a lot of things about Idzik and the Jets this off-season. Probably 95%+ of that has been troublemakers lying to make trouble. We can look back now and see a lot of the lies as transparent attempts to cause trouble (Idzik only offered a 4th and 5th for DeSean Jackson then was slow on renegotiating his contract - when in fact the Jets never made an offer for Jackson, nor did anybody else according to Chip Kelly). I'm not saying that you need to take everything you hear in the public square about Idzik and the Jets with a grain of salt. I'm saying that based on the current climate and the people involved you need to completely disregard it.
I'm fully aware it's not a 1 for 1 transaction. I personally would take Lee over Amaro and less WR and CB competition. Our WR issue last year was not a lack of WRs to compete but lack of talent at the WR position. Similarly, our CB problem was that we had a high draft pick and highly paid vet not playing well; also not a competition issue.
Lower round picks save money. That's why Seattle has so many low round picks and free-agents on their roster. If you add too many high picks at once you can't pay your big time players when their contracts are up. If you are going to criticize at least try to think like a GM who has to pay bills now and in the future and not like one of those guys yelling at the draft.
Both in fact were a problem with depth. With the WR's we did not have have depth once guys were out with injury and were thus forced to sign guys off the street. Holmes was not as good as he used to be but we had success when Kerley, Hill, and Holmes were all active. Unfortunately all 3 missed significant time. Depth and competition at WR helps that issue, because if 1 guy goes down the next guy will want to step in and maximize his opportunity. Yes, a big problem was that we had 1 highly paid vet who was injured. If we have a bunch of cheaper guys, we will have no problem swapping 1 guy out for another if he isn't producing. Again, when guys get their opportunity they will want to show the coaches what they can do. All of our draft picks are competitive high character guys who are not satisfied riding the bench.
I don't mind one trade up if it had to be done but crying because we are adding to our depth and having capable bodies to step in for such a violent sport is silly IMO. The biggest problem Mr T. had for us was his trade ups and the fact he left our depth in such disarray that Idzik with this draft had to build it all right back up again.
Idzik has preached competition when he took over. Competition is and will always be healthy for team success. Nobody earns a free pass on this team outside of a very selected few who have earned that right through years/year(For Richardson) of hard work. Doesn't matter if you're Coples or Kyle Wilson or Demario Davis or Simms or Winters or Milliner or Cumberland or Hill or Nelson or Geno or Ivory, Idzik has brought in new, hungry ballplayers who are coming for these starting spots or roster spots. Guys like Aboushi and Campbell can't rely on their 5th and 6th round draft pick standing this training camp as guys like Dozier is coming for a spot so much will be expected of both men year 2. You guys should be absolutely delighted that we will have actual watchable 2nd and 3rd stringers play these preseason games where these are meaningful and where spots all around the team can be had. I personally can't wait for training camp and to hear the beat writers chat about these position battles....so many new faces, so many guys with chips on their shoulders. These late round guys have something to prove and something to play for. Nothing is being given to them, these guys are going to go balls to the wall to impress in these preseason games and in training camp to earn a 53 man roster spot. I love it. These aren't some UDFAs, these are guys who were good enough in the FO mind to warrant a draft pick for. Complacency is not going to be tolerated under this GM. Its beautiful. Closed mouth doesn't get fed....you want to be a factor on this team, you have to earn and work for it. That's the way it should be. We got a bunch of guys on 1 year deals or not making too much money, these guys have zero reason or incentive to let up.
If you took statistics in college, your professor probably told you this but the lottery is a tax on stupid people. Using a late round pick on a player that is highly unlikely to make the team (much less start) does not seem to be a better use of a late round pick that using it to move up to secure a superior player in an earlier round than the ones available where you pick. I would gladly lose Saunders to exchange Amaro for ASJ, or to exchange McDougle for Stanley Jean-Baptiste.
What I was trying to express in my last post nothing to do with what I've been told. I was trying to express is that he really hasn't done anything to earn the benefit of the doubt in my book. This is his first GM job. To me his resume for all intents and purposes began last year. I, unlike some, do not attribute Seattle's success to Idzik. There's a growing contingent that seem to act as though he can't do no wrong, should not be questioned or criticized like he's Ted Thompson or something. Other than hitting a home run with Richardson, what has he done to earn this other than not being Tanny? I'm still in the process of determining whether or not he is competent at let alone good at the job. If he said he entertained trading up and it did not materialize, I'm not automatically going to assume that he offered reasonable compensation. He could have completely botched it up for all I know.
This is where we differ. When I look at depth chart that has in no particular order Holmes, Kerley, Hill as my top 3 WRs, I see a lack of talent. Think about it from the point of view of an opposing team trying to game plan against this trio. Holmes is done, Hill can't catch and can only run 1 route and Kerley is #3 forced to be a 2 or 1. If they are at the top of the depth chart that already tells me WRs 4-6 is crap. Injuries were a secondary problem.
Also I have to question football intelligence of any GM or fan that thinks, that's a solid WR corps that was just missing low round draft picks to compete for the remaining spots on the roster.
This is where you have to rely on your scouting dept and trust that out of the 12 maybe the majority stick? I agree we should have been more aggressive trading up for Lee or Matthews, that was disappointing .
Are you saying Seattle purposely keep low round picks on their roster to save money rather than the best players regardless of draft position? And you are aware the new CBA has a rookie wage scale now right?
really i don't know how much we can bemoan Idzik for not moving up when there were several factors out of his hands that lead to not being able to do so, not the least of which being the possibility that the teams above us were fine without two fourths and a second or a fourth, fifth and third or something. I'm gonna be a broken record about this but his aggression was only ever gonna get half the job done, there head to be two willing partners, and we CANNOT assume any imaginary number of picks was CERTAINLY gonna get the job done. thats a big assumption to make, why act like a trade up is a simple thing and that he ABSOLUTELY could have gotten any player he wanted with a wave of a wand? I would have loved to grab Lee in the second, but for whatever reason it couldn't happen. why assume thats a failure completely on idzik's shoulders when we don't know how the other end took his bid in the face of their option to keep what they have? theres a draft value chart for chrissake, he literally couldn't have bid a sixth and seventh rounder or something comical like that, its more likely that whatever team he tried to trade up with in the second didn't bite and were content with what they had in the face of another option. doesn't that sound logical? That another team was after a guy they thought they'd lose if they waited too long and didn't want to trade down in the face of that prospect? two to tango people, remember that.
