Well, I'm leaning towards Lewan as the 3rd best OT. Martin is good, and his versatility is nice. For the Jets though, it seems to me that taking Martin isn't the best value. The Jets drafting Martin means he will either play LG over Winters or Colon will be a camp cut, because we don't need a starting LT or RT based on the contracts we've committed to and the players we have. LT is by far the most valuable offensive line position, and generally teams only take an OT in the top 20 if they expect to start him at OT year one, and LT specifically within a year or two. The Jets have a good (but expensive) LT in D'Brick, and a solid (and moderately priced) RT under contract. To me, you only take Lewan if he is the last player available that represents that 2nd tier of talent because you can pug Lewan in at LT and try and trade Brick. The value you get in a cheap LT plus the picks you get in return for Brick make that an excellent value type of option. Martin to me does not represent that 2nd tier, but more the third or possibly 4th tier. If you are getting a player who represents a tier higher than any other available when you pick, go for it. To me, what Martin would really be offering overall to the Jets seems like guard competition, and we can find that later than round 1. For a team like the Dolphins who need multiple O-linemen, taking a guy like Martin in the top 20 could be a great move. He is already guaranteed to fill an immediate hole for them whether it's RT or a guard slot, so if they are in a later round and there is a value OG or OT available, it leaves them free to pick him as Martin can fill whichever void is left. Where the Jets sit, I think there will be a CB, S, WR, or OLB who represents a higher or equal tier to Martin, and thus would be a better value pick. If Lewan falls, I view him as a higher tier those players, so I say pull the trigger. This is just how I see the value of the players, and I'm aware that it is possible/likely that the Jets have the players' values as quite different from my own. Hopefully that answers the question though.
Drafting Ebron top 10 is insane in my eyes. Trading up to get him is even more nuts. Because you're not getting a TE. The guy doesn't block. You're just gonna put him in the slot or split him out wide anyway. You might as well draft Kelvin Benjamin instead. He's an even bigger matchup nightmare and a better blocker. It makes more sense to draft a legit WR and pair him with a guy like Niklas or Fedora later. ASJ in the 2nd would be a dream scenario. Ebron reeks of being a talented but lazy stiff who will grab his money and then chill. If you want a guy like that, just take Benjamin, who has more upside.
The Oline is an interesting scenario.. I agree Lewan is the better prospect than Martin, and I'd take him in a second at #18. IMO, he'd immediately start at RT. D'brick not going anywhere yet, and I'm not at all sold on Breno's pass block abilities. I think Breno gets relegated to backup T duties, and is given the opportunity to convert to G to compete with Colon and Winters. I feel Breno's career will end up at G sooner or later as he's more mauling than agile. It's all moot tho, as Lewan won't last till 18. Martin however has a decent shot at being there at 18. Same scenario for me, as I'd look to put him at RT right away. If Breno looking better than the rook, Martin has the flexibility to compete for a G slot right away, and take the RT slot in the future. We'd end up carrying 9 lineman this year, unless Oday or Campbell don't show enough to warrant a roster slot. In terms of value on Martin, i love the flexibility, but i don't see LT. To take him at 18, the Jets would have to view him as a future pro bowl RT and G. It's a long shot, but I'd put him in the mix as a potential surprise..
Valid point on Lewan over Breno, considering we could cut Colon and put Breno at RG. That would give us a lot of O-line flexibility because of the possibility that we could potentially trade D'Brick but wouldn't have to. The question that arrises is if we took Martin and Breno beats him out and we ultimately play Martin at G and cut Colon, What happens after year 1? Swap Breno into RG and Martin out to RT? Have Aboushi and Campbell as depth probably... Anyway I still feel like there are too many players with higher value that will be available at 18
lol, you are very quick to cut Colon. i wouldn't do that in either scenario. Even if Winters AND Breno/Martin all beat out Colon (which i'm not convinced on), he'd still be starting quality depth, and a strong voice on offense. To answer your other question, yes I would expect Martin to take the RT slot, and Breno kick in. Just a matter of that happening in 2014, or if they'd make the switch in the future. I agree there may end up being better value options at 18. Keeping with the nature of the thread though, I'm just citing Martin as that potential unexpected draft pick. I certainly wouldn't hate it, even if a little surprised.
I wouldn't cut Colon if he is supplanted, he's older, but he would be a great insurance policy to have for the extent of the season. Unless of course they get really good drops in the mid rounds that make him obsolete.
Beautiful post my man, just great. Totally agree, media has to come up with a new negative angle and now its slow, cheap and information black out. And the media is representing us when they say the fans want to know
Maximus nails it again, this draft will define Idzik for years to come, but as of now, he's done nothing to warrant any negativity. He's done a good job so far but its still to early to make a final judgement on him. Meanwhile, in the NY media's world, if you have nothing nice to say, say it because being honest, nice and patient is a 4 letter word.
Does Vick being left handed play into the O-Line thinking? I know he's probably just temporary so a top RT might not be that high on Idzik's radar. If Idzik goes out of his way to upgrade the RT position it could be telling as far as who he anticipates being under center come playoffs.
You don't alter your scheme because a lefty QB might see snaps. If you have a lefty franchise QB, you might have your traditional LT play RT instead, but it's not likely. Jason Peters was always the LT in Philly through Vick's entire tenure there.
jets will draft OG IN FIRST round----have to keep geno standing-------the fans at the draft will hate it and the booing will never stop
These reports about the Jets going up make no sense unless there is a player they love. Can't figure out who that would be. There is not a great deal to chose from beyond the top seven or so and they can't get up there at a reasonable price. If we have learned anything it is that Idzik is reasonable. So expect a trade down if anything.
It appears so and it is rather surprising..it also cements his position in the event of another bad year.
You're an idiot. I've been saying we will probably draft defense first for weeks and weeks, particularly the secondary. It's not because "Rex controls the draft." I wanted Clinton-Dix, Dennard, or Pryor who have been my top 3 choices for months leading up to the draft. Idzik knows what he wants and that this team is best structured to play shutdown defense and run first offense, and I've been saying we especially shouldn't take a WR in round 1 because of the prevalence of good WR's later. If you want to rub something in someone's face you should probably do it to someone who was wrong, moron.
