Neither of them looks like a franchise QB, so no, not bad at all. I don't see a franchise QB in this draft, although there are candidates to be Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers redux all over the place. If Carr (or Bridgewater) got taken by a team like the Steelers and sat behind Big Ben for 2 or 3 seasons they might well emerge from the experience as a franchise guy.
Yes it is bad. They are the closest you can get to franchise QBs without either being named Luck or Manning. Both are surer bets than Manziel, Bortles and the rest of them, better than anyone out of last year's class and depending on RGIIIs health and attitude, could be the best QBs since Luck. All the tools and exceptional football IQs. _
Thought this was hilarious: The way this guy has fallen is astounding, he's not perfect but Bridgewater in the right scenario should develop into a solid starting QB. For the jets purposes If things work out like they are projected to I think he is of equal value to the franchise as any other player of any other position, I'm not sure he's BPA next to the WR's we talk about so much for instance. I guess that brings up the obvious question of what factors go into determining who the the best player is, for instance does long term impact (PURE potential) matter more than potential year 1 effectiveness? or does there have to be a good combo of both? because despite coming out of college this year better than Smith did last year he's still going to be a bit of a process to build up properly and won't be helped by getting his reps split 3 WAYS. I'd take him in the second in a heartbeat though, not that he goes THAT far. my bet despite all of that is that he goes to the Vikings at #8, sitting behind Cassel for a bit while working with Norv turner with the weapons they have, which sounds like the ideal scenario for his development. The vikings are also in a position where QB is probably their only major need, I mean they can shoot for a linebacker or d- lineman I guess but I don't think they need to. not sure what THEIR draft philosophy is.
Norv Turner is probably going to be pushing hard for Blake Bortles if he's there. Philip Rivers sat for a couple of years after Brees got his act together in SD. Turner gets to work with Bortles for a year and then show off his new toy in 2015 when the Vikings let Ponder go. If Bortles goes early, then yes Turner might be pushing for Bridgewater to give him a good project to work on.
In looking at Teddy Bridgewater's drop it's important to realize that it has been a multi-tiered drop at this point. At mid-season Bridgewater was still seen as a likely top 3 selection and a co-favorite with Jadaveon Clowney to be the 1st overall choice. Then sometime between then and the end of the season he dropped down to the 6 or 7 slot and kind of hung around there. When Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles both declared his stock became a little less solid although still in the top 10. It was not uncommon at that point to see mocks in which Bortles went ahead of him. Later on the Manziel hype machine really geared up, first with reports that various teams were considering him in the top 4 and then with specific links to the Texans, Jaguars and Browns. The combine is when things really began to come unglued for Bridgewater and ironically also unsettled the other guy people were mocking in the top 5: Blake Bortles. Bortles threw at the combine and displayed technique issues that knocked him down the board some. Bridgewater, Manziel and Carr chose not to throw and missed an opportunity to solidify their status as an elite QB prospect. It was not uncommon to see Bridgewater in the 10 to 12 range after the combine. Almost nobody maintained him in the elite 5 or 6 prospects at that point. He'd already suffered two drops in ranking prior to the combine and choosing not to throw made those momentum shifters more powerful. There was no counter-reason to suddenly promote Bridgewater against the quicksand he was slowly sinking in from mid-season on. Then the Pro Day was a disaster. It was one of those events where everybody came expecting to see one thing and walked away thinking they'd seen another. Bridgewater slid down to the 13 to 15 right after this. We don't know what his individual workouts have looked like, since they are conducted in private and surprisingly we don't have any real buzz about them. Nobody is hyping or detracting at this point. Again, that's just fueling the slow fall Bridgewater has been in for months. All it takes is one team to decide they like Bridgewater and none of this much matters. The question is whether that team is out there or not at this point.
I'd have no problem with the Jets selecting Bridgewater at 18, then sitting him to develop and learn for the season behind Smith and Vick. Then when the 2015/16 season comes around, we can have a real QB competition between Bridgewater and Smith for the starting role. I'd spend a 1st round pick on a player like Teddy because it should help drive Geno's performance and provide a real long term alternative at the QB position. I want us to draft the BPA every pick and if that pick is Teddy at 18, bring it on.
The only way I'd want the Jets to draft Bridgewater at 18 is if they'd reached the conclusion that Geno Smith was not the guy and they then followed up on that with an active plan to trade Smith for value over the next 11 months before the 2015 draft. You can't afford to spend a 1st round pick on competition. You really can't afford to spend multiple high picks on QB's to sit on the depth chart. If Bridgewater is the guy I have no problem with that but then 2014 should be about pumping up Geno's trade value and moving him while it is highest. If Geno actually turned into a great QB next year then the plan should be to trade Bridgewater going into the 2015 draft.
I will say this...... The dude's got some flaws that may limit his ceiling but I regard Teddy as a much better prospect than I did Geno coming out last year........
It's kind of funny that Geno was on the outs at this point last year and then rescued himself some with a great pro day. Bridgewater was flying high and then the draft evaluation process brought him down. I really think they're very similar as prospects overall. I think Bridgewater is more prepared to play in a pro offense and has a mental edge that Geno didn't coming into the NFL but I think Geno is a better physical prospect and more capable of dominating with his arm and legs. If Geno can get his act together and stop double-clutching in the pocket he has a higher ceiling than Bridgewater does. Of course that's a big IF. Gotta win the mental game before you can win the game on the field.
I'll agree with that........ but I put more value on the intangibles than the measureables, so that's why I lean his way. The dude has shown it on the field and has done it through personal and physical hardships..... but I do think that his physical stature is what limits his ceiling.
I really don't understand why he's slipping, that OL he had last year was horrid, he took so many shots and still delivered the ball with accuracy. Probably the toughest QB in this draft, never got happy feet with DT's coming right up the middle at him. He reads the field so well, just watching his head move from read to read so fast, the footwork is just textbook as well, his feet are always moving and I love how he squares his shoulders before the throw on rollouts, no way this kid slips out of the top 10.
Given how some QBs with smaller stature have still excelled in this league, I just don't see HIS stature limiting his ceiling. _
What were the personal and physical hardships? I know his mom had cancer but she was cancer free years before he even started at Louisville.
3 things I wonder tonight. 1) Who will the Jets pick? 2) Who will pick Teddy? 3) Who will pick Manziel. A great draft night.
