1. He is mobile enough. [I could give you quite a few clips if you request.] I don't think we are looking for the next Randall Cunningham here, are we? It would be fantastic if the QB is as prolific runner as Steve Young or Joe Montana was; and that means the QB is mobile enough [1] and has a good enough of a vision [2]. 2. Can't handle pressure - that shouldn't be all on the QB. You KNOW that too. [Or you are basically saying it was all Peyton's fault all along when Broncos got destroyed by Seahawks last year. That is hardly the case.] Tell me - which QB handles pressure well. I know, for sure, Tom Brady is NOT in the mix. Neither is Peyton or Brees. The very few cases where the QB completely fucked it up all by himself were engineered by the Ass Fumble (tm) in my recent memory. 3. Game manager - isn't that what the Jets need more than anything? How many more stupid bone-headed picks do you want to see out of Geno? You speak like you enjoyed Sanchez's stupid-as-fuck INTs all the time. I didn't. I wanted someone that actually KNOWS how to protect the fucking football. Jets QBs of late lacked that aspect dearly. I am more than certain that some HC would have enjoyed + turnover differential once in a blue moon. When was the last time Jets offense afforded that luxury to Rex? By how much?
Agreed. He might be a quality backup, but I just don't see him being a starter, or a good fit with the Jets. MM wants a mobile QB who can throw on the run. IMO it's all the better if the QB can pick up some first downs with his feet and keep opposing Ds off balance and having to always account for the QB. The Jets need a mobile QB as the backup so they don't have to make a major change in their offense should Geno get hurt or flop. That's why Vick is here, and if they add a QB in the draft, I think he will be in the same vein as Geno, the thought being that one of them will wind up being the starter and the other the backup in the future.
Sorry, I usually agree with you, but not on this one. I don't think he's mobile enough, at least not in the same vein as Geno. Even Geno could be better at running the ball, but I think he's definitely better than McCarron. As you know, he didn't run much in college and is primarily a passer rather than a runner. Still, he has the speed and agility to develop into a better running QB. I think that's part of the reason the Jets wanted Vick (to help Geno develop his running skills). McCarron's not a statue, and I could be wrong, but I don't see him having the same speed or athleticism as Geno. I think it's in the best interests of the Jets to have a QB who has basically the same skill set as Geno, so that if Geno gets hurt or falls on his face, the Jets don't have to totally change their offensive playbook or approach for the backup. I think that MM wants a more mobile QB, one who can throw well on the run, who can get some first downs and TDs with his feet, etc. I just don't see that in McCarron. I think, at least I certainly hope, that if the Jets aren't sold on Geno as the long-term answer at QB, that they are looking for a franchise-caliber starting QB, not just a game manager. I can't stand that type of QB. It leads to a boring, inefficient offense that doesn't scare anyone. Also, do you see McCarron as developing into a quality starter in the NFL? If so, I disagree on that as well. I don't see McCarron as being a starter in the NFL. I see him as maybe developing into a good backup QB. With regards to pressure, there's not handling it, and then there's not handling it. You hit Brady enough or most any QB, and he gets rattled, but Brady stands in the pocket and delivers in the face of pressure. I haven't seen that with McCarron. To begin with, he wasn't pressured that much that often, and Alabama was seldom behind, but when they were or he was facing a lot of heat, I don't think he played very well at all. I think he tended to wilt more than endure. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I'm torn on Geno to be perfectly honest. His numbers were dreadful, but he finished on the upswing. When he ran early in the season, it looked incredibly forced. However, he began getting better at the end of the season. Vick has a 1 year deal, so that really makes me think he is here to mentor and possibly win the job for Geno to learn. If Geno continues his late season ascension then Vick is gone. If Vick wins the job, I feel like we are in a weird spot. If Vick does mediocre (or gets hurt), he's going to be gone at the end of the season. If he does well, he's going to be looking for another contract. So at that point, all of our eggs are on Geno. So drafting someone else might be the way to go. With that said, having a guy like McCarron wouldn't be awful to have sitting behind these guys. I'd prefer someone like Murray or Mettenberger who need time to heal. They would essentially be totally out of the equation for 2014, and could be had in the later rounds because of their injuries. Boyd or Thomas fall into that group as well (not injured) since they need time to develop. Man this stuff makes your head spin!
That's an ascension lol. If he played like that in a few other games, they would have won 9 or 10 games. Part of the reason I'm torn that I forgot to mention, his "weapons" were terrible. They were signing guys off the street.
Doesn't excuse the really ugly turnovers he had, that's really all he did by the end of the season, the last 4 games were just him not turning the ball over at a historic pace.
Like I said, I'm not all in on Geno. If a rookie QB played a season like he played his last 4 games, he would be in the upper crust of rookie QBs. That is a fact that can't be argued. So to me, that is a huge improvement. Taking off my green colored glasses - If I took the Jets WRs/TE/RBs and put them with a 2nd tier QB that started last season (let's say Andy Dalton - first name that came to mind), I would say his numbers would be substantially lower.
Sick of this weapons excuse, I'm not talking about the yards he put up, he had some really stupid turnovers that cost us games, 3 turnovers in the 4th quarter to NE down 3 points? That's a fucking meltdown.
Its called trying to make something out of nothing happen. Though I think the bad weather hurt both Brady AND Geno(the weather is still a valid concern) in that Foxboro game. Likewise, 2 games in a 11 day span to start the year is never pretty.
He was a rookie! So I guess these guys coming out are going to be Peyton Manning from day 1? Gimme a break.
He didn't game manage in the least bit the final month of the year. Game managers don't rush for TDs or single handedly carry the ball to move the pylons. Its fine to say he did this on mediocre competition but to say he game managed the final few games is funny,.
Ok I'm not going to turn this into another Geno thread, we will see what the team really thinks about Geno these next few days.
Football is a 4 quarter game, so I hate to put all the emphasis on a play. But, I'm pretty sure one of our amazing wideouts dropped a pass in that 1st game too. Agreed. He did pretty well the final game of the year against a team that needed the game to make the playoffs, and completely bitch slapped Geno 4 weeks earlier.
Agreed. Don't want to overly hijack this thread. But, it's relevant. So.. Where do you go in the draft?
Tough to say, if we stay at 18 I like Jason Verrett a lot, Dee Ford can provide us a pass rusher on passing downs until he's ready for an every down role, Dix gives us a plug and play safety that covers exceptionally well, the only QB I really love in the first is Teddy and I doubt he's available at 18. I'm not a fan of WR in the first given some of the gems that can be had a little later in the draft and the dropoff in talent at every other position.
It's not an excuse. That's totally unrealistic and lame. It's a legitimate reason. When you don't have the same receivers to work with in games as in practice or from week to week, you have no chemistry or don't know their ways of thinking or reacting and they don't know yours as well. You start guessing or pressing to make something happen, and then bad things happen. When your receivers are never open, you start forcing the ball into coverage in order to try to generate some offense and make something positive happen. You can't just keep throwing the ball away or punting every 4 downs. Couple that with the fact that he was adjusting to the speed of the NFL, trying to fix his footwork and other fundamentals, read more complex NFL Ds, and I can totally understand how all the TOs happened. Geno didn't turn the ball over in college and was very accurate. I think we'll see a markedly improved and better QB this season.
I'm not getting into the Geno debate any longer, I have no patience right now for it my feelings on Geno are well known.
