Hill has the physical tools (height, weight, speed) and has shown flashes. But has complete mental lapses that kill us at times. He'll get one last shot this upcoming preseason, but I doubt he has a long leash.
Hill has no idea how to be a dominant receiver because he hasn't been asked to play that role in years, maybe ever. The physical and skill issues take a big back seat to the psychological barriers in his case. He just doesn't know how to make a 5'11" 200 lb CB cry. At 6'4" 215 and 4.4 speed that should be second nature to him.
Interesting note to the 40 time idk if anyone has mentioned... Some personnel men that timed his 40 themselves from various teams told Hill he ran a sub 4.3, dont know if anyone mentioned it already.
I think you make a good point about Hill. I've always had the feeling that he plays down to the size of the guy covering him rather than using his size as an advantage. The big hits he's taken seem to have really rattled him as well. I would be more than happy to see him make the leap this season and prove the doubters wrong but I also wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make the cut this year, particularly when you consider that he doesn't contribute on ST's as well as the likelihood that we draft a WR or two that can compete for a roster spot this year.
Maybe, we should send Sanjay Lal packing and get Wayne Chrebet to be our WR coach. Don't discount NFL experience.
Chrebet had the mental process of trying to be a great player down so well that he even had a teammate freaked out about playing on the same field with him. If he'd had Hill's physical attributes as well he'd have been Randy Moss without the attitude.
Chrebet apparently does very well at Barclay's as an investment advisor, there's no reason to believe he'd be interested. There's also no reason to believe every successful player could be an effective coach.
Yep. There's always a half dozen or so posts a year, maybe more, suggesting to make a former player a coach. Without ever making an attempt to discover if that former player had even an inkling of desire to coach.
"Todd McShay, a draft analyst for ESPN, said Lee is difficult to evaluate because he was “one of the most explosive players in college football” in 2012 but then dropped 12.3 percent of the balls thrown to him in 2013." 12% drop rate sounds high. But I'd take it over the 50% drop rate you get with Clyde Gates and Stephen Hill.
Except it's not 50% and it is probably less than 12% too...I'm sure somebody can look that up. Well, Gates is 12.5% and Hill is 1.7%. So combined less than 12. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/
Uninformed opinion is uninformed. 2013 stats: Marquise Lee: 12% ( ? ) Clyde Gates: 12.5% ( 3 drops, 24 targets) Stephen Hill: 1.7% ( 1 drop, 58 targets ) One of these things is not like the other.
How does a receiver "play down to the size of the guy covering him?" Not trying to be a wise-ass, I just don't understand. Hill is still very raw and does not yet possess highly enough developed skills to offset the his absence of natural, football instincts whether it applies to how he runs his routes or catches the ball. He does block well but the rest of his game has quite a ways to go which is obvious to everyone and was a well known fact when he was drafted. I have no idea whether throwing him into the deep end as a rookie was the best was to speed up the learning process so the CS has to have the benefit of the doubt here. Based on how raw he was when we got him, and the fact that most wide receivers with a considerably more advanced base of skill sets typically blossom in their 3rd year in the league, I think its only fair and reasonable that Hill should be granted at least one more full year on the team to allow him the opportunity to take his game to the next level. Again, his combo of size and speed is not so easy to come by, so giving up on him now or at the conclusion of camp would be terribly wasteful and ill-advised IMO.
i've been trying to find that Lee stat for a while, 12 percent of how many targets? and during what games? it would make world of difference to know those numbers in context.
I looked briefly and couldn't find them either. Regardless though it's not a good thing for that stat to jump so much in one year. Inconsistency is a killer. Did they change QBs or something? I'm not sure what would result in such a severe increase in the amount of drops.
Barkley left after 2012 and Cody Kessler took over at QB. Lee also played through a knee issue which he claims also adversely impacted his game. Add to that the head coach being changed during the season and that might account for much if not all of the drop off in his performance from 2012-2013. If he's physically sound, I'd love to have him because I think he can be a major contributor from day 1.
Drop off in performance is one thing, Actual increase in drops is another. Though I could see the change in QB accounting for some of that. Though, a player making excuses about his knees this early is a yellow flag for me.
Pepto, can't you ever make football related posts without attacking people. Very trollish and yet expected.
Hill might not even be active for half the games. With CJ2K & Ivory pounding the rock, how many 4/5 receiver sets to you think MM will conjure up? Probably none. With Decker/Nelson/Kerley running the 3 wides, and the new speedster Ford and our Rookies looking for catches, seriously, Hill might not even be active all that much.
