Thanks for the clarification. In this scenario, the Jets wouldn't be taking ASJ just to keep NE from getting him. That would be part of the reason, or a nice bonus, but the main reasons would be that they have a glaring need at TE and they had him as the BPA at that point in the draft.
Agreed! I know teams with sense don't just take players to keep them off other teams. I simply meant given the many factors involved in drafting that if you take a player who is highly regarded and projected to go in and around where you picked him (BPA) is a battle won, also knowing you kept him from possibly going to a rival team with that same need. I'm just not good explaining myself. I assume too much from others. Honestly speaking, who as Jets fans wants to see another Gronk + Hernandez tandem in NE? NTM developed chemistry with his young WRs. I'd be worried about our chances at Division even more.
This is a good point....I wonder if the Milliner pick would have been the same if we were strong at DB (Revis/Cro), or if 'need' outweighed BPA (Richardson) in a moment of weakness.
Need always outweighs BPA..thinking otherwise is foolish unless of course you have needs at multiple positions and then you might pick BPA within that group.
Nothing but if U had read my post I clearly said at this moment. Based on Sheldon & Milliners 1st year & because Sheldon has proved that he can disrupt the other side BF unless Milliner becomes the new Revis it will be real tough for Milliner to ever overtake Sheldon barring injury
Ddue, your post was retarded. You would have been better off sitting in your house with your thumb up your ass instead of posting it. Its no big deal. Youre not the first one to throw up on a keyboard and press enter.
true - there was a bit of a battle inside hofstra during the 1st round where a few of the scouts and dick haley wanted sapp in the worst way but were negated by the immortal kotite.
They're putting that together whether we like it or not if Keller is healed up well from his injury. Keller is a similar TE to Hernandez, because he is fast and runs more like a WR than a TE. People think Keller was short but he is an inch taller than Hernandez was.
Only if U have competent GMs & scouts who can determine who the BPA is which in our case up to now BPA has been a total failure which is why to date U have never seen the NYJs win anything
that goes w/o saying, if you have the wrong staff in place making the wrong evaluations you will never win. The jury is out on Idzik but so far he appears to be doing a good job.
Nah U can say lucky picking Milliner & Sheldon still being there when our next pick came. Clearly at least after season 1 for both of them Sheldon was the BPA not Milliner when we 1st drafted. This is a perfect example of why the BPA theory is only as good as the people the owner employs which in our case has been horrible up to now .
Bingo. When teams talk about BPA, they are basing it on their needs. To think otherwise is silly. Nobody just takes the best player on the board regardless of the position. They take the best player on their draft board to fit the team needs.
it's foolish to pick based on need, that means you are drafting for one season and not to build a franchise. That makes team reach for players. I was just watching a special on the '94 draft and Kiper was bashing the Colts for taking Marshall faulk instead of Trent Dilfer or Heath Shuler b/c they needed a franchise QB. if they take Dilfer there they probably aren't 3-13 in 1997 and don't get Peyton Manning. It took 4 extra years but it was obviously better long term than taking one of the other guys just to fill a perceived need.
Obviously need can factor in but the teams that make the most mistakes are the ones desperate to fill a need that reach on players.
True. No one wants to see NE get any stronger or get another great TE tandem, although if they upgrade their WR corps, they wouldn't need to worry about their TEs. BB will find a way to get offense. I don't remember the details, but I think I remember reading an article about a draft back in the 80s or 90s where a GM had done just that (drafted a player just to keep their rival team from getting him). It may have even been the Jets. It wound up being a totally wasted pick as the player didn't fit that team's system, and I think they released or traded him within a year or two and the team had nothing to show for that draft pick.
It's more foolish to think somebody you draft today will even be here after four years. 2009 - Sanchez, Greene, Slauson 2010- Wilson, Ducasse, McKnight, Conner and a year to go.
I didn't say that I knew that, just that I think it. I'm pretty sure I remember reading an article or articles in the NY media stating that that's what happened, that the Jets had admitted after the fact that they or maybe it was Hess didn't want Sapp because of the drugs and character concerns. It may have been speculation and not fact, however, but I do vaguely remember reading that.
Thanks for verifying this, jilozzo. I knew I remembered reading about it in the NY media or on a Jets board, but couldn't recall the specifics.
I think everyone goes in a bit too deep with the BPA Concept. I think it just means that you use the draft to bring the most talented players in, not necessarily to plug holes for the season.
