And if Detroit trades up to take Watkins as rumors have it they will try to do will it be Megatron or Watkins that was never the go to guy?
No I am saying you can have two good receivers on the team and most of the people rating these guys still think Beckham is the third best receiver in this draft behind Watkins and Evans.
And Beckham had the 2nd most total yards in the nations, but apparently thats not good enough. Why would less than 1000 yards be good enough, then? Once again, pretty all boxscore reasons. You say short in stature, but he plays MUCH bigger than Lee (his catching radius is much bigger and attacks the ball better) and Cooks who he's 2 inches taller. The only knock Im hearing from everyone that dislikes Beckham is that he only caught 60 balls for 1150 yards. Thats it. He was the go to playmaker on the team, thats why he had almost 20 YPC and was the primary KR and PR which resulted in the 2nd most yards in the nation. He cant effect how many times LSU chooses to pass the ball. As I listed before, LSU averaged 13 completions on 21 attempts vs their three top teams they faced (Bama, Florida, Auburn). Hard to be THE guy and put up massive numbers when there are 13 completions going around. And Mettenberg was far from great. He has great tools, yes. Watch the tape, Beckham and Landry are left making circus catches left and right because of his inaccuracy.
Very true. I just don't see the production at the collegiate level against good competition, I know the LSU offense didn't exactly light it up before Cameron came to town, but I see it as a red flag still. It bothers me. I want someone who proved he can carry the load that has potential and the work ethic to succeed at the next level. The majority of that production came against bad teams, that's the problem. The only good game I saw was the Georgia game. The SEC didn't exactly light the world on fire on defense this past yr. I see Beckham and I see fools good.
The knock is that Landry was at worst his equal in college. Not to say they'll have equivalent pro careers, but if you couldn't set yourself apart in college, I'd rather take a chance on the guy that did. If we were talking about Beckham in the Landry range of the draft, then okay. But we're not. We're projecting him to be this great WR because of measurables. We got in a bit of trouble with that with Hill already. Not saying he's the project Hill was, but I'd rather we draft a guy who's numbers jump off the page, not his measurables. All that said, I'm starting to want Dennard over anyone. I think I'd be pretty okay with any of the following: Dennard, Lee, Cooks, Ebron, Matthews, Fuller or Bridgewater (assuming the Jets see something in him that says he's better than what they've got), in no particular order really. I'd be a little disappointed with Gilbert (who I don't think is going to be as good as everyone thinks it seems), any other TE, Beckham or Benjamin, or any other QB. I'm not going to project any other positions because I wouldn't put it past us to go for something we don't need, which I'm totally fine with. Get the best player available. I just happen to think anyone that falls into my 2nd category there is not the best player available at 18 no matter how you slice it.
What do you think of Sammy Watkins? He put up gaudy numbers, but Id say about 500 of 1400 yards came from screen passes. Does that matter at all? Numbers are incredibly reliant on the system, surrounding players and what role they are used in. Landy had more catches than Beckham because he was used as a slot receiver and was targeted more over the middle (as most slot receivers are- see Jeremy Kerley). Beckham was clearly used more as an intermediate and deep threat shown by his ~20 ypc. Just because Beckham wasnt used in the short area game along with screens, it doesnt mean he cant be used like that. I wonder if Beckham caught 25 more screen passes for 250 yards would the majority of those who dislike him as a 1st round pick still have an argument against him.... And also, Beckham was highly rated WAY before the combine and any numbers were put to his measurements. All they did was just solidify the fact that he's one of the most athletic WRs in the draft. You dont need numbers to see that though.
I said it once and ill say it again, they are absolutely without a doubt and I guarantee that they are taking brandin cooks at 18, they wanted tavon last year at 9, st. Louis cock-blocked us and took him, morningweg wants that type of receiver on this team, and secondly idzik will do whatever it takes to get jace amaro also, went to his pro day personally, brought him in, if it isn't amaro then sefarin-Jenkins is the back up plan, guarantee , don't argue cuz I know im right
also I would love to see pierre desir on this team with our 3rd round pick, dude can stick to receivers and can cover awesome, may take a few games or almost the whole year like milliner but him and milliner would be awesome together for the future
and Stephen hill will not be on this team come the 1st game of the year, he's history as fast as they can get rid of him
Cooks is a returner, they won't keep Ford if they draft Cooks. If they get Cooks they'll keep Decker, Kerley, Hill, and Nelson.
Yeah I just noticed he guaranteed we would draft Cooks in another thread as well. Guess no need to engage at this point.
I actually am not that crazy about Watkins. I do think he has the highest upside but I don't think he's a slam dunk by any means. I do think numbers mean a hell of a lot. Could they have used Beckham differently? Probably. But they didn't. So there's nothing that proves to me from his college production that he could be a top tier nfl wr. It's a reach to say he would be. But yeah, if he had more catches for more yards, i would think higher of him. Whether it's his fault or not. I just prefer a guy that's already shown he can do it. Sometimes that doesn't work out. Other times it does. If it were up to me, Patrick Willis would be a jet because I thought he was a star in the making. At the same time, I was the only person on here championing the cause of Thorpe Award winner Derrick Strait, and consequently, the only person that was wrong. Matthews, Cooks, and Lee all did it at the highest level better than OBJ did. Could OBJ be better? Of course. But the other guys feel like safer picks to me. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
I don't see Watkins as an order of magnitude better than a few of the other WR's. You can take his three years and Brandin Cooks three years and Marqise Lee's three years and jumble them around and you couldn't tell who was who by the numbers. The one thing that he has that is definitely real is a size advantage over Cooks and Lee and that's a real factor. It's a game of inches and an inch or 3 and 20 pounds is a big thing.
He's just like a bowling ball with knives. Every year there is a guy rocketing up the board based on his combine performance. This year that guy is Odell Beckham Jr. God help the team that buys into him as a star based on a few really good days in his skivvies. He's going to be a decent player, but if the guy had what it takes to be really dominant he'd have done that at LSU. Instead he disappeared in big games. 14 catches for 169 yards and no TD's in 4 games against Alabama. What does Alabama have? CB's and safeties who are going to the NFL.
