Cornerbacks in the draft

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  1. laxin

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    Just to refresh my memory on Dennard, I just watched 3 of his games on draftbreakdown. Just looking at the ND game, he was called a couple times on PI, one of which negated a big interception on his part. My main problem with him is that he grabs when he doesnt need to, which can result in a PI thats simply unnecessary because he IS in position to make a play. On the interception, he essentially ran the route yet still felt the need to tug on the receivers arm, forcing him to the ground. Maybe due to the rules of the NFL I have been conditioned to think that whenever a CB gets his hands on a WR past 5 yard, its a penalty... but there were numerous times where I felt Denard got extremely lucky and the refs let multiple calls slide. In the NFL, I think he's called a lot more and Im not sure its something you can truly fix (see Kyle Wilson).

    I do think his athleticism "problem" or negatives are slightly over stated.

    Aside from the grabbing, I also felt like he had the opportunity to look for the ball in the air and play the ball, yet instead he decided to play the receiver and swat/grab at his hands. In some instances it worked but other I thought could have been called. This is something that I weigh pretty heavily. For instance, I think Kyle Fuller plays the ball much better in the air despite not being as "physical" as Dennard. A CB in the NFL MUST be able to locate and play the ball.

    All in all, I think he's a good cover corner, but I have some serious concerns about him being a penalty machine at the next level. As for his play in the run, yes its definitely a good thing, but thats not what corners are graded off of. Deion Sanders was terrible vs the run and is considered one of if not the best CB ever. Revis was pretty good vs the run, but his reputation was made in coverage. Same with Sherman. A corners priority is covering and thats all Im going to really consider when reviewing a prospect. Honestly, I would be fairly upset if Dennard was the pick at 18. I think he could be a good player across from Milliner, but I still dont see a top 20 player and Im honestly not as worried about the CB position as many are.
     
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  2. laxin

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    We signed Dimitri Patterson who (when healthy), has been a pretty solid corner in recent years. I think he fits as a "mid level nothing-special type guy". Sure, I would have preferred a few other players, but he is a solid player. He has injury concerns, but he is a decent stop gap if we dont address the position early in the draft.

    We also signed a few low risk players that have some upside in your former player, Ras I-Dowling, and also Johnny Patrick. Darrin Walls was a decent player as well when he had the opportunity.
     
  3. MaximusD163

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    Onward we go.

    -Tarell Brown is not a particularly good player, he had his best season (and the rest are not even close) in 2011 when the 49ers were the #1 overall defense, and the list of players who had ungodly seasons on that team that year made Brown look much better than he is, and people just recognize his name and assume that means he must be good. When you start listing Tarell Brown as "a quality player" the Jets should have signed, it becomes obvious you're just listing names. If there was any demand for Brown's services, he wouldn't have signed a 1 year deal. I honestly kind of doubt he'll even start on the Raiders this year, that's what I think of him.

    -Corey Graham was not signed to start, he was signed as a depth/nickel CB who is a good special teamer. Even if he gets starting snaps, it would be as a press corner who releases the WR into a cover two scheme, which is why Jim Schwartz (the new Buffalo DC) wanted him. He wouldn't have fit into the Jets scheme, and we have plenty of special teamers.

    -Walter Thurmond is as you said, primarily a slot CB that can occasionally play an outside snap. Why would we sign him when we already have Kyle Wilson who is one of the best slot CB's in the league? We signed Demitri Patterson, another slot CB with good potential upside, but only cost $1 million in guarantees. If he gets injured, we don't have to pay him.

    -Brandon Browner's contract is clearly beyond your comprehension as well, which is sad because you are a Pats fan. Even though he is only officially guaranteed $1 million, he has all kinds of escalators and bonuses that make him a well paid CB as long as he doesn't get suspended. If the Jets signed him to what the Patriots offered him, and he screws up and gets suspended, it basically negates the idea that he is insurance because he won't even play. If he doesn't screw up, he gets paid significantly more than you realize apparently. If the Jets had signed Browner to that contract, and wanted to avoid dropping $5+million on him in 2015, they have to cut him before the new league year.

    None of these players you listed make any sense as signings for the Jets, and it's obvious you just listed the top CB free agents from this year without any deeper thought. The only CB I think might have been a good idea to sign was funnily enough the only CB you didn't list, and that's Carlos Rogers. His contract is structured in a way so that if the Raiders want to cut him during training camp he won't cost them barely anything, but he could fit into the Jets system and would be an easy cut if we drafted a CB. I'm not mourning his loss though, because he probably wouldn't have even been on the team in 2014 even if we did sign him. So now that you've done a great job of showing you don't know what you're talking about, go ahead and keep talking about how Idzik made a big mistake not signing one of these CB's.

    In response to your comments on the o-line, I guess it hasn't become apparent to you unlike the rest of the world that the Jets are going to be heavily focused on the running game, and so it makes sense that our linemen specialize in run blocking as opposed to pass protection. Geno will be doing lots of play action, and not as much dropping back or shotgun passes.

    In response to the top 10 defense argument, yards per snap is a good evaluation of a defense, and the Jets ranked 9th overall in that measure. When your defense is on the field constantly because your offense can't get a first down or turn the ball over, you accrue more snaps and more overall yards. Stats aren't enough on their own, I'd like to see the rankings of which defenses had the highest number of total possessions against them. I bet the Jets have one of the highest number of opposing possessions, yet still rank highly in most of the major statistics because they were able to limit each opponents possession. Even if you make a defense go 3 and out or punt, if your offense goes 3 and out your defense is just going to face even more snaps.
     
  4. gopats88

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    I never tried to estimate the likelihood of any specific player wanting to sign with the Jets, because that would just result in wild speculation that would never lead anywhere. I never tried to pretend that their contracts weren't more complicated than my one line synopses either. I pointed out that there were players available who got signed to contracts that the Jets could afford if they had wanted to, and who would have left them with far less uncertainty at the position. I still don't see anything in your posts to convince me otherwise. Tarrell Brown played a role in the 49ers defense, and they were able to play very well with him getting a significant number of snaps. Why is it ridiculous to suggest that the Jets should have signed him, or another player with a similar history, to prepare for the possibility that they might need an experienced role player for a season, or even part of a season? When I say "quality", I don't mean an above average starter; I mean a guy that can be plugged in without worrying that your defense will completely collapse. Right now, the Jets don't even know if they have enough of those guys to fill a starting lineup, and the draft can't change that.

    Also, the Jets expressed interest in Verner (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/119539/jets-show-interest-in-cb-alterraun-verner), so I don't think your assessment is correct. If Rex's system does prevent the Jets from considering players like him, then maybe his system needs to be more flexible. It's hard to win in the NFL when you can't take advantage of good value when it is available.

    If you are happy going into the season without a single CB who has proven that he can play either of the outside CB roles, much less a backup who can be relied on in the event of an injury, then fine. I just don't agree with that when it is an avoidable scenario. Most Pats fans were nervous going into last season with only two proven DTs, and our fears turned out to be more than justified. Not having a single proven player at a position just seems ridiculous.

    Yards per play is going to depend a lot on how opposing teams gameplan against you. I have a very hard time believing that the Giants had the 5th best defense last year by any meaningful statistic, or that the Chiefs were the 7th worst. Total production is more important, and I think there is a reasonable argument to be made that defenses should be judged with equal or more weight being placed on points than yards.

    Since you seem to think TOP was a big issue, you might be interested to know that the Jets defense was on the field only 3 seconds per game longer than the average team (http://www.oddsshark.com/stats/offensivestats/football/nfl/time_of_possession), which is hardly a gargantuan task. If they hadn't been second-worst in the league at forcing turnovers, they almost certainly would have even been on the field less than an average NFL defense. The Jets offense wasn't good, but they ran the ball frequently and pretty effectively, which chews up a lot of time.

    Also, since you brought it up, the Jets opponents had 187 drives against them (average was 186). They were ranked 14th in yards allowed per drive, 17th in points allowed per drive, and 31st in turnovers forced per drive (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef2013). Basically, they faced an average number of drives, and performed about average on a per drive basis depending on how you weigh the different factors. Nothing suggests they were top ten. When you consider that 11 of their 16 games were against below-average offenses, and they only faced one top-5 offense, I'm still not sure why so many people act so impressed.
     
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  5. MaximusD163

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    You totally ignored so many things I said. Verner earned a lesser contract because teams around the league value him less, not just Rex Ryan. Why do you think his contract was so much lower than other top CB's? Because Verner thinks Lovie Smith is a handsome man? Saying Rex Ryan should be more flexible because he can't take advantage of Verner is just plain foolish, by that logic every team who signed a man coverage CB to start needs to be flexible, because nearly all of them got paid more than Verner. Not only does the article you linked by Rich Cimini say very specifically that this was most likely a due diligence call at best, he speculates Verner will earn a $9-10 million per year contract. Why?

    Because Cimini is a writer and doesn't know much about true football operations. He is very uninformed about what football front offices really get up to, or he acts like it because most readers wouldn't want to hear about contract complexities anyway. Most Jet fans consider Cimini a lazy writer who doesn't take the time to understand what he is writing about. Before going to ESPN Cimini held the position Manish Mehta now owns, and Mehta is the laziest among lazy Jets beat writers.

    The Jets do have proven players on their roster, and went into last season's draft with Cro and Wilson as the top 2 CBs. There was no assurance we were walking away with the top CB available. The Jets' secondary may not be the strength of the team come August, but they will be just fine. Darrin Walls stepped in when Milliner was benched, and did well for himself, and he is still on the team. You're argument has gone from "Idzik screwed up" to randomly listing a bunch of CB's because you don't understand what signing them actually entails. Kyle Wilson can play snaps on the outside if he needs to. Demitri Patterson can play some snaps on the outside if he needs to. Darrin Walls can play some snaps on the outside if he needs to. There are other ways of still getting players as well. The Jets believe they can rely on any of these players to fill that role, so what makes you think you know better as a fan of another team who clearly doesn't have a grasp on their roster makeup?

    You don't understand the Jets' roster at all, and probably barely understand the Patriots' either. Go whine to Bill Belichick about not having enough DT's I'm sure he would really value your opinion. You guys made it to the AFC Campionship game again, 1 game from the SB. The Patriots needed just a couple tiny things to go a different way and they could have been playing Seattle. You know what Bill Belichick would say to you if you if you said what you just said to me? "Shut the f*** up you f***ing idiot, I don't give a rat's a** about the thousands of ignorant whiny fans out there, I'm just going to coach and win games." I'm sure the Pats PR staff would never let that happen but you can be sure he'd be thinking it. So many Patriot fans think that because they have a brilliant HC and a brilliant QB it some how passes down football knowledge to them, when the truth is you are just clueless as every other fan. You listed CB's the Jets never could have afforded and never would have wanted, not to mention some who don't even fit in scheme wise. Sure you say "the Jets have cap space, they can spend it!" but that doesn't mean you understand the salary cap on even the most basic level, and your posts make it very clear that you indeed do not know the first thing about the salary cap.

    As far as the overall defense, whatever, the Jets were not a top 10 defense, I really don't care enough to argue about that any more. They were a top 11 defense, you clearly made such a valid point, they Jets weren't even close to being considered top 10. Nevermind the fact that if the bills had given up basically one more 1st down over the course of the season the Jets would be ranked 10th and the Bills 11th. I digress, and submit to your obvious genius understanding of defensive stats.

    Perhaps you feel this was a harsh response, but the truth is you came from another team to post negative comments about things you have made clear you have no understanding of. Just accept the fact that you don't understand what the Jets are doing this offseason, or go learn the salary cap and contracts. If you're too lazy or don't have the time, shut up because I'm running low on patience. I can talk for hours and hours with a knowledgable fan from any team, but you are equally as bad as ignorant Jet fans, and even more annoying because you are a Pats fan.
     
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    are you not entertained!!?
     
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    I want no parts of Bradley Roby, massive bust potential.

    I like E.J. Gaines, Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Roberson or Purifoy, Colvin and Cockrell.
     
  8. NYJetsO12

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    You go Max......and he deserved a harsh response. This guy is probably banned from the Patriots board through BB phone call to their board moderator after running his mouth about some useless crap. My gut says he has a perverse habit of getting under everyone's skin and is now busy trolling the Jets board to project his insecurity about the Pats being unseated from the AFC east. Why else is he here? I will not second guess Idzik's decision about CB and I think we could end up like Seattle after smoke has cleared. Idzik got them on the road to success, why not here. The difference between gopats and you is he thinks he can get away with BS research but you know your stuff.
     
  9. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    Are you that anal?

    I'm sooooooooooooooo sorry I didn't put STATE behind it, I'm purty sure everyone else knew what school I was referring to.

    Thank you for just going out of your way to try to make a really stupid point. Thank you. Honestly. Thank you.

    Clearly I was fully aware of what school he is from, you can also check my post history to find the same things.

    smh...
     
  10. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    His speed is the ONLY consistent question mark I see that everyone harps about. What else is there?

    I don't see a lot of glaring flaws in his game. His technique is great, he is physical, he plays man very well, he is very good in run support. He has shown that he is more than capable of taking on Colleges top WR every single week. His football IQ is fantastic, he seems to have a very strong passion for the game.

    I mean.. Nobody has been able to make me see another perspective from what I've seen of the kid. I've heard random things like his speed is bad, well that isn't true. He has more than enough football speed to make an impact.

    In my eyes he easily should be a Top 10 pick.
     
  11. laxin

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    You could read my post at the top of this page...
     
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    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    Good. If you have an opinion and want to play that game, then let's play.

    Don't just say.. I prefer Kyle Fuller if I had to choose.

    Why would you prefer Kyle Fuller? I am really curious.

    As far as your "grabby" argument goes.. Why would that, of all things, make you think that Kyle Fuller is the better prospect?

    Oh, Revis, he says HI. Same knock on him coming out of college. How's that work out for him in the NFL?

    You say you watched 6 games of his, which isn't a lot at all, and you've decided you weren't impressed. Ok, other than being "grabby", what didn't impress you about his game?

    I mean someone that is so consistent, blankets every top WR in college, and still dominates usually impresses me. I guess that's not your bread and butter, so I'm curious what you are seeing.

    ..and him not being a better prospect than Milliner is laughable.

    I think you think that I am bashing Milliner, I'm not. He was a very good prospect coming out of Alabama but he wasn't as impressive coming out of college.

    I would bet money that I am right on this one. Only time will tell.
     
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    Oh... I know. I replied to it too. ;)
     
  14. gopats88

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    I didn't rely on Cimini's analysis whatsoever. I said that the fact the Jets inquired about Verner is at least indicative that they felt he could have some value in their defensive system, even if he isn't a perfect match with what Rex Ryan has traditionally looked for at CB. The fact that he wasn't an ideal match was largely offset by the fact that he had a cheap price tag, as you were kind enough to point out. The fact that I didn't feel the need to explain those things in my post doesn't mean I'm too dumb to understand them.

    I am well aware of who the Jets have on their roster at the CB position. They have a slot CB who has repeatedly failed to emerge as a passable starter at the outside positions in his 4 years since being drafted, another slot guy who has an eight year history of getting injured every season, a career backup with a total of four starts to his name, a second year player who struggled but had a few promising performances at the end of the season, and another injury prone guy who couldn't even make an NFL active roster last year. Add another rookie to the mix and you guys are golden! Most NFL fans would be nervous if any of those guys were slotted to be the #2 CB on their favorite team's depth chart. The Jets will need to find a #1 and a #2 among them. You can stir up discussion about all of these other angles, but our disagreement comes down to the fact that I feel this is a risky gamble and a mistake; you apparently don't.

    The Jets roster isn't that complicated, and it isn't that difficult to understand. I know the style of defense that Rex Ryan likes to play, and I know the players that are currently on their roster. What else am I missing exactly?

    I'm perfectly happy letting Belichick make the big decisions, and overall I'm very satisfied with how he does his job. But that doesn't mean I am going to blindly agree with every decision he makes, and it doesn't mean that we all should stop discussing our opinions on the basis that we aren't professionals. That's kind of the point of coming here, isn't it? The Patriots defense suffered greatly when Wilfork and Kelly got injured, because we had nothing behind them except undrafted rookies who didn't play very well. The fact that the Patriots went on to play in the AFCC is a testament to his coaching, but it doesn't change the fact that our roster should have been deeper at that position to begin with.

    Again, I simplified the contracts that I listed because I didn't feel like posting something that was drawn-out and people wouldn't even bother reading. Truthfully, I didn't research the fine print of every one of those players' contracts either, but I was aware of most of the things that you pointed out. Everyone in the world knows that you can't accurately explain the details of an NFL contract with just a number of years and a number of dollars, so I didn't think that needed explaining. But saying that the Jets couldn't have afforded, or couldn't have used any of those guys is just blatantly wrong. The Jets didn't get a CB because it wasn't a priority for them in free agency. It's the only logical explanation there is.

    Lol. First you call the Jets a top ten defense based on total yardage, despite them being ranked 11. When called out on it, you justify that label because other "better" stats would surely show that the Jets are better than their 11th place ranking. When I point out that those exact stats that you came up with actually show the Jets as being even worse, suddenly you fall back on the total yardage ranking and insult my knowledge.

    Yeah, clearly I just don't understand the complexities of the Jets defense, and how awesome they are at things that can't possibly be measured with statistics. It's impossible that you are just over-hyping their defense to support your opinion that they'll be fine with bottom-of-the-league talent across their secondary.[/s]

    Be as harsh as you'd like. But failing to adequately support your argument, then blaming it on my lack of familiarity with the team and my overall lack of understanding of football is a tired and transparent ruse. Overall I think Izdik has done a very good job, and I'm probably one of the few Patriots fans who will admit to thinking that the CJ2K signing was a good move for the Jets, but I doubt there is anything that I can say that will convince you I am anything other than a troll who shows up to flaunt my perceived superiority and criticize everything the Jets do.
     
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    How many games do you think evaluators watch when judging a prospect? From what I've read/seen, many watch 3 tapes of a prospects season- one at the beginning of a season, one at the end, and try and throw in the game where they played the best competition. Im fairly certain that I can judge a prospect on 6 games. I dont have all day to watch tape and its not my job, its just a hobby.

    With that said, I think my above post to maximus is a better representation of my thoughts re: Dennard.

    You can see here my opinion of him other than him being grabby and why I might prefer Kyle Fuller (which isnt such a crazy opinion because he is rated fairly similarly to Dennard)-

    "Just to refresh my memory on Dennard, I just watched 3 of his games on draftbreakdown. Just looking at the ND game, he was called a couple times on PI, one of which negated a big interception on his part. My main problem with him is that he grabs when he doesnt need to, which can result in a PI thats simply unnecessary because he IS in position to make a play. On the interception, he essentially ran the route yet still felt the need to tug on the receivers arm, forcing him to the ground. Maybe due to the rules of the NFL I have been conditioned to think that whenever a CB gets his hands on a WR past 5 yard, its a penalty... but there were numerous times where I felt Denard got extremely lucky and the refs let multiple calls slide. In the NFL, I think he's called a lot more and Im not sure its something you can truly fix (see Kyle Wilson).

    I do think his athleticism "problem" or negatives are slightly over stated.

    Aside from the grabbing, I also felt like he had the opportunity to look for the ball in the air and play the ball, yet instead he decided to play the receiver and swat/grab at his hands. In some instances it worked but other I thought could have been called. This is something that I weigh pretty heavily. For instance, I think Kyle Fuller plays the ball much better in the air despite not being as "physical" as Dennard. A CB in the NFL MUST be able to locate and play the ball."
     
  16. MaximusD163

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    The Jets inquiry of Verner happened before free agency even began, and the fact that it leaked to the public that early strikes me as meaning it was just a smokescreen to get teams to think CB was their priority vs who it actually was; Eric Decker. Considering most of the players the Jets were reported to have interest in never visited, and most of the players the Jets ended up signing were not reported as interests until it was reported they had official visits, I think the Jets did a pretty good job of handing out false info. It's not that you posted a simplified version of what I posted, it's that you posted an incorrect version. You said things like "Talib's contract could be a 1 year deal for $11.5 million." That's not simplified, it's incorrect and dumb. The same goes for every other CB you listed. Whether or not you are dumb, what you posted was dumb and factually incorrect. That leads me to believe you are dumb.


    You can choose to twist "a premier slot CB" into "a CB who has repeatedly failed to emerge as a passable starter" if you want to, but that doesn't make it correct. Any football expert will tell you slot CB is the hardest position in the game to play, don't you think it's possible the Jets are happy they found someone who excels at it and prefer to keep him there? You can also choose to twist "a top 10 pick who closed out his rookie season by matching up 1 on 1 with the leading receiver in the league (Josh Gordon) and fastest WR in the game (Mike Wallace) while accumulating 3 picks and 10 passes defensed in those two games" as "a few promising performances". Anyone who didn't expect a top 10 pick who closed out a season like that to be the #1 CB the following year is dumb. Expecting him to make a pro bowl, maybe not, but don't be so stupid as to not expect him to be considered the #1 CB on this team. The Jets are going into the draft with the exact same mantra of competition that they did last year, just replace Cro with Milliner. If the Jets draft a CB he will compete with the exact same players as Dee did for the #2 spot, with the addition of Patterson.


    You're missing the fact that our 3rd ranked rush defense is returning 100% of it's contributors, who are young and developing. You're missing the fact that our pass rush will improve with with a non-injured Coples and Antwan Barnes. You're missing the fact that secondary play is affected by the rest of an overall improved defense. You're missing the fact that Idzik can still trade a pick for a contributor should he choose. You're missing the fact that we have promising young safeties who will compete. You're missing the fact that we have 6 draft picks in the first 4 rounds in the deepest draft in recent memory.


    Honestly with someone who has as proven a track record as Bill Belichick, you probably should blindly agree to every football decision he makes. Thinking that your layman football logic could possibly offer a legitimate questioning of the greatest football mind of this generation is thinking too much of yourself. If Bill Belichick says something about football, it should not be questioned by someone who can't look at any given defensive formation and declare the best offensive formation to attack in under 20 seconds. Go ahead and question him if you want, but I will just laugh at you. Of course Belichick should be questioned, but not by you or I.


    Actually you simplified the contracts because you are too dumb to realize that the way you simplified them makes them blatantly incorrect. I called you out, because they are downright wrong. Simplifying something implies it is still correct without without including every detail. I guess in your case simplifies means you wrote down what your simple mind (incorrectly) understood them as. You don't have to say "truthfully you didn't research the fine print" because that is already very apparent, and what is also apparent is that even if you researched them you don't understand what they mean. From your post, it seems like you think the only thing important in a contract is guaranteed money, but not how it is spaced out, incentives, injury clauses, non-guaranteed money, accelerators, or anything else that is actually incredibly important. If you're using contracts to make a point, listing incorrect contracts is moronic no matter what the reason. Of course the Jets could have afforded one of these players, if their only goal was to obtain one of them. Your point is like saying I have 10 dollars and this lollipop cost 7, so I can afford it. They obviously did not want to spend 7 dollars on the damn lollipop because they have better things in mind for it.


    I admit I mistakenly called the Jets a top 10 defense when they are in fact they were a top 11 defense. In the scheme of this debate, it seems like the mistake of one single digit is pretty meaningless compared to the compounding schematic and contractual mistakes you have made. I maintain that you are an idiot, because of your numerous indications over the course of this argument. The only stat I said was "probably better" was yards per snap, and I followed that statement by saying stats on their own are not good enough. The stats you offered also did not show the Jets to be even worse, because there is so much situationally that you need to look at. The Jets had more opposing possessions than average, but less total yards or yards per snap than average. That is a decent statistic in itself, because every possession faces a more tired defense, and they continued to limit the yards per snap better than two thirds of the league. You also are mixing stats, for instance, the average number of drives can be effected by outliers, but their rank cannot. Being 14th in the league means 14th no matter what, but being above average in something means you could rank almost anywhere, that's how averages work. You were mixing and matching being above average and rank in the statistics you provided. A.K.A. you are dumb.


    I barely even feel the need to reply to this incorrect assumption. The Jets do not have "bottom-of-the-league talent across their secondary". Talent and statistics are very different, and only a moron would call a top 10 pick bottom of the league talent. Again, more proof that you are dumb.


    I never said you are a troll, and I don't think you are one. Trolls specifically make arguments they know will piss people off and look for different opportunities to do so. I'm not familiar enough with your past posts to know whether you just come here to criticize everything the Jets do. I just think you are an idiot who thinks that you know more about football than you do, and a bad debater.
     
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    I've been saying that for quite a while, he's an awesome athlete, terrible football player and worse, has poor judgement. I've seen every snap of Roby's career here in Columbus, thank you...NO!!
     
  18. Matt4776

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    Am I that anal?

    You didn't spell a school wrong. You didn't make a slight typo in the prospect's name. You listed a different school.

    It's not like there isn't a school named Michigan so it was an obvious abbreviation. It's not like Michigan isn't a big school. In fact, Michigan is bigger than Michigan State on a national level. It's not like you said OSU and I'm criticizing you for not saying Ohio State because you could be referring to Oregon State.

    It's a completely different school with a completely different football program. Sorry I didn't go through your entire post history to check your credentials before pointing out that you made a mistake on a really stupid claim in the first place when there are many people that probably never watched a down of this prospect on here that rely on posts like yours for the majority of their prospect knowledge and now may think that Dennard went to fucking Michigan.

    Is Brandin Cooks from Oregon with Mariota slinging the pigskin the best WR prospect you have ever seen? How about little Lamarcus Joyner from Florida? Isaiah Crowell, stud RB from Alabama? Johnny Manziel from Texas? Kyle Fuller from Virginia?

    For someone that supposedly follows the B1G closely and saw him "shutdown your Buckeyes", you'd understand that it's quite the mix-up. I also don't think you'd confuse the name of your rival school which is also one of the biggest rivalries in sports period.

    So, you're welcome. Honestly. You're welcome.
     
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    mad max is murdering this dude.
    lol
    soooo Im guessing the answer is yes, you are that anal
     
  20. Ozymandias

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    Thing is, if he's there for our second round pick I fear we will take him.
     

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