Let's talk pass rushers

I disagree. First and foremost, the Jets need an elite pass rusher. I think Rex has his priorities backwards. Any JAG can learn to set the edge if he has the right size and strength. It's not coincidence that was both Thomas' and Pace's best attribute. Ford, Barr, Attaochu or whomever can learn to set the edge, and with their speed, they can compensate for the times that they may get beat early. Taking an elite pass rusher early is not wasting a pick. I'm sorry, but that's just absurd.

 

No. I think he will wind up being a 4-3 DE. I don't want Sam, not because of his sexuality but because he is too slow. I'm sick of slow, unathletic LBers on the Jets.

 

Terrell Suggs is considered slow, and homey can get to the QB. I see similarities with Sam. But what do I know...I'm no Tod McKiper Jr. Lolz.

 

True. I'd rather have Sam than no OLB prospect at all, but really would prefer one with some hops.

 

I wanted Richardson after seeing him manhandle offensive lineman. Milliner not so much. Never understood the Campbell pick the Jets do not do well with conversions. If you want an offensive lineman draft one.

 

Brandon Moore?

 

I'm not suggesting the Jets don't need an elite outside pass rusher to compliment Quinton Coples..It's seemingly the final piece of what could be a dominant front 7. If Barr falls to #18 or Ford to #49,I'm all for the pick. Next to offensive play maker this has been a glaring franchise hole for quite some time.I just don't think either of those scenarios occur.

That said..the reason Rex is so choosy about OLB's size isn't solely for setting the edge. It's versatility.Be strong at several different techniques or be able to play multiple spots on the field. Otherwise..a one trick pony speed rusher might only be on the field for 50% of the defense's plays. Rex is THAT multiple. Better size=Better versatility.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

Versatility can be great at times. The flip side of that is the old jack of all trades, master of none kind of thing. There's also the matter that it cuts down on the number of players who can help the team. IMO there aren't a lot of players that are that flexible, and the trade off for greater size is lesser speed. I'd rather have a player who was great at one thing than a player who was good or pretty good at several things. I think the way Rex handles the D, switching systems and moving players around helps at times and hurts at times. Any system has its strengths and weaknesses. I'd rather play one system and have faster players, than play multiple D fronts, have bigger and slower players.

 

I understand where you're coming from on this, but I don't think you can make that statement. For one thing, as another poster pointed out, Brandon Moore certainly was a successful conversion. For another, the Jets have had a number of different OCs and offensive position coaches over the last 5 seasons. It's like last week someone was saying something similar about the draft and you can't compare how Bradway drafted, to how Tanny drafted to how Idzik drafts. It's apples and oranges. You just can't make a general statement like that when all the relevant factors have changed.

 

I think the Jets best conversion ever was Dan Alexander. He was a defensive lineman at LSU they made him a guard and he was there for years. Moore was ok not a road grader and not really good at pass protection either. Just ok and that is good too. The Jets also tried to convert Russell Carter from safety to CB. That was a disaster. But for one game late in the season he moved back to safety and had a monster game. Then they moved him back to CB. I was looking back over some of the Jets draft and they have been horrible. It will be nice to have a sustain building of the roster through the draft

 

I couldn't possibly disagree with you more about Moore. He was a great, underrated OL. He was the best run-blocking OL the Jets have had in a LONG time and was very good in pass protection too. You simply are wrong and don't have any idea what you're talking about with regards to Moore.

 

Dan Alexander & Brandon Moore are reason enough to continue converting DTs.Individually they both had their pros & cons. But they both definitely were tough. What you typically get is a extra bit of toughness up front w/ some of these Defensive converts..also much quicker feet.So they take a year to adjust & learn the technique..you're ending up w/a tougher, more athletic player down the road.

Campbell was an OL in high school so he has the background. He also has a really nice frame & pretty good feet.I thought he looked decent in limited TC time & the preseason. These OTAs will be huge for him in his development.

 

The Jets cut Moore to reduce his salary after he started for them for a few years and no one signed him. Then they resigned him. They cut him again two years ago and again no one signed him. Serviceable yes but great no. If the Jets needed a tough yard they went left not right where Moore was.

 

the first cut was a handshake deal, they knew he was coming back. he retired rather than signing with the cowboys last year but he had an offer if he wanted it.
also he was an integral part of the line when curtis won the rushing title in 2004 and was very good rg for this team for a long ime.
i don't understand how that is disputable

 

You're wrong. Most of the Jets runs have gone to the right side and for good reason.

 

Brandon Moore was, Nick Mangold notwithstanding, probably the best member of our offensive line from 2002-2012.

 

Rex could really use another major threat at linebacker. I would argue that that a Barr or Attaochu is as valuable to the team as a Dennard or Roby, maybe more so. the idea that Rex "needs" elite corners for his defense to work is a lazy narrative among many spit out by the media which underestimates an entire end of what Ryan does with the defense.

The best thing about having Coples, Richardson and Wilkerson is that they are ALL respected and versatile pass rushing or run stuffing threats that can line up in multiple places on any given play, bringing a beneficial unpredictability as to who's going to come after the QB and hopefully a lot of pressure on that same QB.

Now add a Barr to that equation. Damn having a shut down corner, thats just Fuckin scary. we can get away with what we have at corner, especially IF we have the front seven to make their lives easier.

I'd also think an OLB prospect would have an easier time transitioning to the NFL than a CB expected to start immediately would be, especially with more known quantities to take the edge off and learn from like Calvin Pace.

I'd like to see an OLB prospect in rd 1 or 2 (either or) I think there may be a viable starting option that falls to us from both rounds, though i'm sure jets fans will boo our miserable asses off if an OLB is taken round one.

 

I understand what you mean with size and versatility but we dont have a pass rush! I can't consider our 3-4 DE as our pass rush because that is a pure luxury for us and props for hitting a homerun with wilk and rich but we need an OLB, an outside threat to move the qb. I like Coples, this is a big year for him him though. The draft will be tough to get a home run OLB not in the top 15..