There is a 0.0% chance of Santonio Holmes ever playing a down for the Jets again. And if the Patriots want him, they can have him.
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Eric Decker's presence won't help Hill's inability to catch the ball with his hands, that's all on the big guy himself.
Thanks 1985er. I recognize about half those names, but I don't know much about how good any of them really are. Have any of them become 'way better' than Hill?
Hill has the physical tools, but needs to get the WCO timing down. He struggled all year with his timing with Geno. Minimal targets, but barely had any drops. With Sanchez, it seemed he had the timing down but couldn't hold on to the ball. I feel Hill could play a vital role on the offense one day. If he can iron out those issues he could be that deep threat we have long wanted. It's still early in his career and a bit early to give up on him.
Is it too simple to say that if Hill had caught that ball vs pats 2012 we would now have a different player? You could feel the life being sucked out of every player coach and fan when he dropped it, so what must it have done to Hill himself? Young kid first season in the league knows if he catches this ball, the jets have a huge chance to win their biggest game of the year and boom its on the floor. Didn't just kill his confidence in himself but coaches team mates and fans confidence in him also.
The thing that's hurting Hill right now is that he hasn't displayed any of the talents needed to play WR in the NFL. When he's matched up against a bad secondary his size and speed cause problems and he has a big game now and then. When he's matched up against a decent secondary he's almost invisible. When he's matched up against a good CB he is invisible.
Wel,.. I'm saying Geno was categorically inaccurate to the outside. Which is where Hill plays most if not all of his snaps. Nelson benefits from being able to play in the slot position which bolstered accuracy on plays that were going to him. I don't think anyone really expected him to turn into a superstar in 2 years. His injuries are really what has held him back. Probably will be deciding factor on his roster spot eventually.
They always say receivers take 3 years to develop in the NFL. Well Hill came here as a project, we drafted him knowing that he didn't have that much exposure in college except for blocking. We knew he had all the gifts but it was going to be a work in progress to get him ready to be able to compete on the NFL level. Everyone should just relax a little bit and stick to the plan with him. You need patience when developing young players like Hill. I hope it works out.
Hill being a project is fine. And yeah in most cases it does take 3 years or so for a WR to completely develop. But other then 2 games in 2 seasons , Hill has been a big non factor. He followed up a bad rookie season with an even worse 2nd year. Its going to take huge strides for him not to be looking for work after this season. Granted the QB play hasn't been great but some consistent average play would've been nice to see. Considering he is going into training camp as most likely 4th or 5th on the depth chart he is a long shot for a breakout candidate.
Demaryius Thomas went from 22 & 32 receptions his first two years to 90 plus his next two. Now I'm not saying Hill will make a similar progression in year 3 as Thomas did but I'm certainly not getting rid of him before we find out he won't.
Look, I know Stephen Hill has had his down moments, and that everyone remembers that 1 drop that could have closed out the emotional win in vs the Pats that we proceeded to lose. He still struggles in certain aspects of his game, but people, c'mon, you expected too much out of him and unsurprisingly are disappointed. He was thrown into the starting line up as a very raw player. Who was playing around him? Lets look. 2012: Santonio Holmes-missed most of 2012 with the Lisfranc injury. Jeremy Kerley-a 5th round slot receiver in only his second year. Chaz Schilens-need I say more? Dustin Keller-missed half the season and was limited by injury for most games Tell me, who really expects a raw rookie WR to excel with this, combined with Mark Sanchez's mental deterioration. 2013: Santonio Holmes-never fully recovered from the lisfranc, and not much of a threat Jeremy Kerley-missed multiple games w/ injury David Nelson-solid backup but mostly a redone threat Jeff Cumberland-missed games with a concussion Kellen Winslow-missed games for suspension Hill himself was beat up and injured throughout the year, and was being thrown to by a raw 2nd round rookie QB, not to mention Hill had to learn 2 new schemes in his first 2 years in the league. Talk about being set up for failure. Don't mistake me, I'm not "high" on Hill, but anyone casting him aside as trash or a likely roster cut is an idiot. I repeat, a raging idiot who knows nothing about the Jets. I'm not calling for Hill to have a an all-pro year this year, but don't you think it's possible that with a couple legitimate weapons around him (Decker, Kerley), a more developed QB (whether it's Geno or Vick), a strong running game, and for the first time a second year in an NFL system, it might just be possible for Hill to have an ok year? I wholeheartedly agree that adding competition into the WR corp with a pick from the first two days is a good idea, but people, just realize what your expectations should be.
I think that Decker only pushes him back further on the depth chart. Plus there's an excellent chance the Jets will draft a Wr maybe even in the 1st round. Unless Decker is the kind of teammate who would spend time and try to help him it's going to be harder for him to make this team. And if he gets injured very hard. Right now they have Decker, Kerley, Ford, Nelson and Campbell plus a few other guys who haven't been on their active roster. Unless he comes out with a passion for making this team and contributing I can see them possibly trying to trade or cut him. I agree he has the talent and can block for a receiver.
