Should the Jets draft WR Brandin Cooks?

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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Please. Do you even like anyone in this draft? You have something negative to say about every potential pick. If Cooks was over 6'2" with his skills and speed, he'd be a top 3 pick and would go before Watkins. Other than his being under 6', I have seen not one negative comment about this kid. He's insanely fast and quick, is a great route runner, he has great hands, he's a great playmaker & has awesome RAC ability, he's smart, he has great character, he has a great work ethic, he's tough, he plays big, and is NFL ready. He is a receiver that could put up 60-70 catches his rookie season. If you're not gonna watch prospects film or don't know what you're watching it's better to just not say anything, than post and try to sound like you know what you're talking about and make it glaringly clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. You are too much.
     
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    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Well thank God that you're not Idzik. Picking a school over a player is nuts. Trading up in this draft is nuts, especially for a one-dimensional TE like Amaro.
     
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    That's not true. You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because he's short doesn't mean that he's best suited to the slot.
     
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  4. Red Menace

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    Thank you for posting this, a taller receiver with size could have gone up and probably come down with that, or prevented the interception.

    And when it comes to blocking downfield he will get out muscled everytime. He is not a #1 guy. If we are going to get a number 2 receiver the jets have better options.
     
  5. MaximusD163

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    Cooks will only excel in the right system, I like him as a fit for SF or PHI, definitely not the Jets. His small size is more of an issue for run centric teams who need a big guy outside who can block well, not a slot receiver. He will not likely be BPA, and you can't even argue for need here because drafting Cooks will push Kerley pretty much off the field. It's just not good value for a first round pick. He may develop into an outside guy on a team that throws the ball around a lot, but he most certainly projects as a slot guy coming in. People are in love with his speed, and don't realize that there are other guys who have pristine routes and great hands and good mentalities, and they aren't quite as fast perhaps but project as outside guys who can contribute year 1. You just have to realize who has the highest value to a team, and Cooks just isn't a good fit for the Jets.

    I'm pretty sure he was implying he likes Beckham, not just any LSU receiver because it's LSU.

    Cooks is suited for the slot because of his overall size and quickness, not only because of his height. He will have to build the strength to battle NFL caliber CB's, he's not going to come in ready.
     
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  6. So you're gonna pass on an explosive wr bc he doesnt block well?That doesnt make sense to me. The very threat of him going vertical with that speed will make defenders hesitate almost as effectively as drive blocking.The blocking nedd can be offset by drafting a blocking TE later in draft as well as the biger WRs Decker/Nelson/Hill already on the roster

    As for the slot argument..the very reason he is a 1st round talent is BECAUSE you can play him on the outside despite his size.He's strong, tough & can run every single route. He & Kerley have very little in common other than size.Cooks is quicker, faster & better after the catch.

    Not a good fit for Jets offense?Did you see what MM did with Desean Jackson in Philly?I'm sure we can all agree Cooks is a similar prospect.
     
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    Cooks doesn't project as a consistent outside threat year one, is what I said. He projects as a slot guy who will develop into a consistent outside guy. And your point about his speed freezing defenders doesn't make sense, downfield blocking is what is important. The kind of blocking I want a receiver to help with usually happens after it's obvious the play is a run. DB's or safeties will easily be able to shrug off blocks and get to the runner, whereas bigger WR's will give the RB's more to work with up the field. Mornhinweg had legit QB's dude, he had Donavan McNabb and a younger Michael Vick. Neither Geno nor an older Vick are going to be slinging the ball all over the field, we are going lean much more heavily toward power running than MM ever did in Philly.
     
  8. MikeSLTJ23

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    You guys are nuts. I watched half of the video and realized I was watching a player who got consistent separation and had a QB throw to him even at the times he was blanketed in double coverage. Liked what I saw there. You're not drafting a wr for his blocking. That'd be an added bonus.

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  9. JetsNation06

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    Regardless if he plays out of the slot or on the outside is immaterial. Cooks is one of the most explosive, dynamic, productive guys in this draft. You don't pass on a guy like that who's an immediate upgrade to your team because of his downfield blocking. That's secondary to what he can give you as a threat to keep defenses honest. It sounds like you're getting more caught up in how you see Cooks' role with this team moreso than what he actually produces on the field. Victor Cruz is one of the best WR's in the game today. Brandin Cooks is in that same mold. We can only hope he's as tough as Victor is but he's got the speed, explosion and hands that Cruz has. Even if the Jets only line him up in the slot in year 1 as you say (which I highly doubt) he'll still force defenses to play him honest and be a huge weapon for Geno or Vick. If the Jets were 1 WR away from a SB roster then maybe I'd say they need a bigger WR who's specialty is downfield blocking. However the Jets need a playmaker on offense, bottom line. Johnson was a good pickup but that's not enough. Cooks immediately becomes one of their big play threats as well as a safety valve underneath and this team needs both of those.
     
  10. Br4d

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    Victor Cruz is 6' 204. You can't compare him to Cooks because of that core fact.
     
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    And Stephen Hill is 6'4 215 and plays smaller than both of them. Of course you can compare them if their games are similar which they are. And 6' vs 5'10 and 15 lbs difference? That's hardly a world of a difference and is irrelevant when they are both matchup nightmares. You're not drafting a WR at 18 primarily for his blocking ability, that's secondary.
     
  12. Br4d

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    2 inches and 15 lbs can mean a lot in the NFL. That can be the difference between being a guy who has to elude the press and being a guy who can knock a CB off balance now and then and force them to back off a bit. It can easily be the difference in a contested ball in the air.
     
  13. MaximusD163

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    I disagree completely. If the Jets were one WR away from a Super Bowl, Brandin Cooks is exactly the type of guy I'd want. If I were in charge, I would not take a guy like Cooks unless I had complete faith my QB could properly use him. Right now we need WR's that are easy for Geno to get the ball to, and guys that will make our main source of offense (RB's) better and more productive, and that's a bigger receiver who can reliably get open. I like Beckham the best out of Cooks, Beckham, and Lee, because even though he is 5'11" he has a stronger thicker body, and very strong hands that catch everything. He can line up outside, beat press coverage, and get open for a young QB. If we had an entrenched QB with known ability, I'd be all over Cooks. You gotta realize what kind of weapon is the best for a young QB, and Cooks is the kind of weapon that is by far most useful to a QB who knows exactly where all his receivers are at every moment, and gets the ball to him at the perfect time.
     
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    Sure it can be. It can also be the difference between a smaller shiftier WR baiting the CB on a slant n go vs a guy 2 inches taller and 15 lbs heavier who can't juke the defender and give him that extra step advantage on the defense. It works both ways yet they play similar styles and in that regard their measurables difference is not that big to me.
     
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    Cooks is a hell of a talent, a gamer and it appears, a solid person and I wouldn't mind if he was the #18 pick. That said, given a choice I would have an ever-so-slight preference for Odell Beckham Jr. and yes, based on his sturdier build and it's not about blocking so much as it is him holding his own during contested battles for the ball. In short, not every catch is in a "wide open field" scenario and I feel OBJ can better withstand the physicality of CB play on the NFL level Cook's explosiveness notwithstanding. Just an opinion. Either way, DO grab one of these playmakers with the 1st pick.
     
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    Wrong. Brandin Cooks is a young QB's best friend as he can work the middle of the field as well as stretch it. A perfect dump off safety valve for Geno. Extremely easy for Geno to get him the ball. And you're relying on Geno Smith taking that next step to be able to find an open Beckham on the outside? That's asking a lot more than Geno having to dump off to Cooks 8 times a game underneath the zone and moving the chains.
     
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    No, Beckham would be running slants and screens, fades, double moves, the works. Beckham will work over the middle of the field as well, and he gives Geno a bigger target when doing so. Beckham can take a hit from an LB or Safety miles better than Cooks can.
     
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    I don't think at 18 he is the right player for us, when you look at the depth of the WR in this draft there are WR who are just as fast, explosive, stronger and bigger than cooks that can come in with a complete package.

    I agree with you about the video and I liked something's I saw, I'm not trying to take any credit away from him, but he is not the only one who can do that.

    An blocking is not an added bonus in the NFL, it's part of the skills that a well rounded NFL ready WR should posses.

    If you want a niche WR I believe cooks fits that mold, if you want a complete package WR I would look at other WR at 18 before him.


    JMO
     
  19. JetsNation06

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    You can't have it both ways. Cooks is the much more proven commodity in terms of working underneath based on his college tape. The only thing Beckham has over Cooks is a thicker build and that's it. Cooks to me is the more complete WR. Beckham makes highlight reel catches yet isn't as consistent or productive as Cooks and that will translate at the next level.
     
  20. Br4d

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    Beckham isn't the same level of prospect as Lee and Cooks among the second-tier of prospects. He looks great at times and it's easy to project him as being great at the NFL level but he has never actually been consistently great the way Lee and Cooks have been. Making the jump from being a good complimentary receiver to being a #1 WR is not easy. Odds are Beckham cannot do it.
     

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