At least one guy doesn't think I'm crazy

Hey bro, don't bash my man 328Hehe, that fucker knows his shit.

 

Don't question the methodology of draft experts. It's almost like black magic.

 

Seriously?

 

Wow!! This is a stunner! IMO there's no way Barkley and Bray even belong in the same post. I think they're both awful. I think a strong case can also be made that Shaw and Murray don't belong in that group either, and maybe even Morris. IMO Shaw is smart and all he did is win, but he doesn't have the athleticism or the arm as any of that group. Murray has talent, but isn't that accurate and makes a lot of dumb decisions. His freshman season Morris looked like he was gonna become a very, very good QB, but imo he has never made it to that level. He's athletic and has talent, but hasn't put it all together yet.

 

So, I wasn't very clear...

I'm not saying they are all as good as each other.

Last year I definitely thought Geno was the top QB. The next two guys were definitely behind him in Bray and Barkley. After that I thought there was nobody that was worth playing at the QB position in the draft.

Manziel, Carr, and Bridge are IMO 1st rounders... But I think all those other guys have the ability to have a shot.

 

Oh, OK. Sorry if I misunderstood your intent. That makes more sense to me. For a little while I thought maybe you had inhaled too much pollen and it was short circuiting your wiring. Guess I'm the one who has breathed in too much pollen! LOL

 

You just said, if the Jets draft him, you will root for him to fail - sounds like something personal to me.

Again, I hope we draft him he's a good prospect.

 

It's not personal against Fales the human being. It's against a weak-armed QB. If another team drafts him, I would be perfectly fine with his succeeding. I just don't want the Jets backup or potential next starting QB to be limited by a weak arm.

 

His "weak" arm is less of an issue then you think.

 

No it isn't. Your statement clearly demonstrates your lack of understanding on playing QB in the Northeast in the cold months. Whatever dude. It's obvious that we couldn't evaluate talent in players any more differently, and I don't see any productive point in having any more discussions regarding draft prospects because it's very clear to me that we will never agree or even be able to reach any point of consensus. Your mind is clearly tightly closed.

 

Dude, stop bringing up the whole Northeast cold bullshit - I already dispelled this with Chad Pennington pre-injury. They have similar arm strength, and before Chad got hurt, was very successful in the Meadowlands wind. West Coast offense, short passing game - Marty can easily adjust and has the personnel to do so. That's what great coaches do, ADAPT. I would rather have a QB that has the ability to put the ball only where the receiver could get it over, a QB that has elite arm strength and less then average accuracy. That's the Tom Bradys, the Joe Montanas - they never had issues playing in the wind despite less then stellar arm strength. We were winning games with Chad pre shoulder injury as well. So we can throw that out the window.

You can also improve Arm Strength - this was already confirmed if you watched Matt Ryan's career develop.

If anyone's mind is closed, it's certainly yours. You obviously aren't listening to what I am saying, and you are dispelling others that are saying the same thing I am.

 

For folks who wanted to see Mel Kiper's latest mock, here is the list I got from another Jets board.

1 - Jadeveon Clowney - DE - Houston Texans
2 - Greg Robinson - OT - St. Louis Rams
3 - Sammy Watkins - WR - Jacksonville Jaguars
4 - Johnny Manziel - QB - Cleveland Browns
5 - Khalil Mack - OLB - Oakland Raiders
6 - Taylor Lewan - OT - Atlanta Falcons
7 - Mike Evans - WR - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
8 - Blake Bortles - QB - Minnesota Vikings
9 - Jake Matthews - OT - Buffalo Bills
10 - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - S - Detroit Lions
11 - Justin Gilbert - CB - Tennessee Titans
12 - Eric Ebron - TE - New York Giants
13 - Darqueze Dennard - CB - St. Louis Rams
14 - Aaron Donald - DT - Chicago Bears
15 - Odell Beckham Jr. - WR - Pittsburgh Steelers
16 - Zack Martin - OT - Dallas Cowboys
17 - Calvin Pryor - S - Baltimore Ravens
18 - Brandin Cooks - WR - New York Jets
19 - C.J. Mosley - ILB - Miami Dolphins
20 - Derek Carr - QB - Arizona Cardinals
21 - Ryan Shazier - OLB - Green Bay Packers
22 - Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Philadelphia Eagles
23 - Marqise Lee - WR - Kansas City Chiefs
24 - Bradley Roby - CB - Cincinnati Bengals
25 - Anthony Barr - OLB - San Diego Chargers
26 - Kyle Fuller - CB - Cleveland Browns
27 - Cody Latimer - WR - New Orleans Saints
28 - Morgan Moses - OT - Carolina Panthers
29 - Ra'Shede Hageman - DT - New England Patriots
30 - Jordan Matthews - WR - San Francisco 49ers
31 - Jason Verrett - CB - Denver Broncos
32 - Stephon Tuitt - DE - Seattle Seahawks
(33.) Houston Texans | *Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
(34.) Washington Redskins | Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
(35.) Cleveland Browns | *Davante Adams, WR, Fresno St
(36.) Oakland Raiders | *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida St.
(37.) Atlanta Falcons | Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
(38.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers | Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi St.
(39.) Jacksonville Jaguars | Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois
(40.) Minnesota Vikings | Kyle Van Noy, LB, BYU
(41.) Buffalo Bills | *Demarcus Lawrence, DE, Boise St.
(42.) Tennessee Titans | Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
(43.) New York Giants | *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
(44.) St. Louis Rams | Jimmie Ward, S, No. Illinois
(45.) Detroit Lions | Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
(46.) Pittsburgh Steelers | *Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
(47.) Dallas Cowboys | Deone Bucannon, S, Washington St.
(48.) Baltimore Ravens | *Bruce Ellington, WR, South Carolina
(49.) New York Jets | *Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
(50.) Miami Dolphins | Joel Bitonio, OL, Nevada
(51.) Chicago Bears | Lamarcus Joyner, CB, Florida St.
(52.) Arizona Cardinals | Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech
(53.) Green Bay Packers | *Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
(54.) Philadelphia Eagles | Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
(55.) Cincinnati Bengals | *Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
(56.) San Francisco 49ers (from KC) | Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice
(57.) San Diego Chargers | *Donte Moncrief, WR, Mississippi
(58.) New Orleans Saints | Keith McGill, CB, Utah
(59.) Indianapolis Colts | *Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU
(60.) Carolina Panthers | Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
(61.) San Francisco 49ers | *Marcus Martin, C, USC
(62.) New England Patriots | Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio St.
(63.) Denver Broncos | *David Yankey, OG, Stanford
(64.) Seattle Seahawks | Ja'Wuan James, OT, Tennessee

 

You haven't dispelled anything. It's only in your small mind that it's not a factor. Get over yourself. I'm listening to what makes sense and is true, and agreed about Fales accuracy. Fales' arm isn't as good as Brady's and I doubt Joe Montana would have done as well in today's game and playing in the northeast. Just because we were winning some games with Chad pre-injury doesn't mean spit. Your attempt at logic and reasoning is an epic fail.

 

Already did dispel it - arm strength is an overrated quality, and as I mentioned already, Arm Strength can improve over years.

Don't you remember how much potential the Jets had with Chad Pennington before he got injured? Chad was easily one of the best QBs in the league when healthy.

Fales and Pennington have around same arm strength, Fales isn't on the same plane in regards to football IQ as Pennington, but the accuracy is there, the anticipation to make throws is there. Those are pretty unique skill-sets to have. He makes quick decisions with the football, these are all essential tools to operate the WCO.

Sorry I wouldn't pass on Fales in the later rounds because he doesn't have above average arm strength, the positives outweigh the negatives in his game.

We can agree to disagree on that aspect - I'm not changing my mind in that aspect.

 

I already said that 3 posts ago. I know that neither of us is going to change our minds. That's why I suggested we not discuss it further.

 

So... I finished my own personal QB rankings. I have them split into rankings as mobile QBs and pocket QBs. I have detailed write-ups of each of them on the link. And... well.. let's just say it doesn't go along with the consensus. lol. Not that my opinions ever really have since I started spending way too much time doing this stuff. *Please note that "mobile" does not mean "running." It has to do with a QB's ability to move and to throw on the run, incorporate rollouts, etc.
Mobile QB Rankings
Rank Name School Position Height Weight Round
1 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M QB 6'0" 210 1
2 Teddy Bridgewater Louisville QB 6'2" 205 1
3 Derek Carr Fresno State QB 6'2" 215 1
4 Blake Bortles UCF QB 6'3" 230 2
5 Stephen Morris Miami (Fla.) QB 6'2" 208 3
6 Aaron Murray Georgia QB 6'1" 201 3
7 Connor Shaw South Carolina QB 6'0" 209 4
8 Tajh Boyd Clemson QB 6'1" 222 5
9 David Fales San Jose State QB 6'2" 220 5
10 Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois QB 6'2" 219 6
11 Brett Smith Wyoming QB 6'2" 206 6
12 A.J. McCarron Alabama QB 6'3" 214 6
13 Brock Jensen North Dakota State QB 6'2" 226 7
14 Logan Thomas Virginia Tech QB 6'6" 250 UDFA
15 Zach Mettenberger LSU QB 6'5" 235 UDFA
16 Bryn Renner North Carolina QB 6'2" 225 UDFA
17 Tom Savage Pittsburgh QB 6'4" 230 UDFA
18 Jeff Mathews Cornell QB 6'4" 225 UDFA

Pocket QB Rankings
Rank Name School Position Height Weight Round
1 Derek Carr Fresno State QB 6'2" 215 1
2 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M QB 6'0" 210 1
3 Teddy Bridgewater Louisville QB 6'2" 205 2
4 Aaron Murray Georgia QB 6'1" 201 3
5 Stephen Morris Miami (Fla.) QB 6'2" 208 4
6 Connor Shaw South Carolina QB 6'0" 209 4
7 Zach Mettenberger LSU QB 6'5" 235 4
8 Logan Thomas Virginia Tech QB 6'6" 250 4
9 Blake Bortles UCF QB 6'3" 230 4
10 David Fales San Jose State QB 6'2" 220 5
11 Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois QB 6'2" 219 5
12 Tajh Boyd Clemson QB 6'1" 222 6
13 Tom Savage Pittsburgh QB 6'4" 230 6
14 A.J. McCarron Alabama QB 6'3" 214 6
15 Brock Jensen North Dakota State QB 6'2" 226 7
16 Bryn Renner North Carolina QB 6'2" 225 UDFA
17 Brett Smith Wyoming QB 6'2" 206 UDFA
18 Jeff Mathews Cornell QB 6'4" 225 UDFA

 

I really don't think the Jets are going QB in the first two rounds, so the more teams that take QB's open up other positions for the Jets.

I think they'll grab one with one of the 4ths, or an earlier pick if they trade back and get an extra 3rd.