Sorry meant retrospect. I am not projecting EJ Manuel to have durability issues, he already has them. He had 2 leg injures during the season. I wasn't a big fan of EJ Manuel in college, and I am not now. Fales is awesome, I hope we grip him in the 4th round. Either him or Mettenberger
EJ Manuel could have avoided some injures, I consider that part of decision-making which essentially is a skill (I could have said Decision Making). I still question his durability, we will see how his career develops.
My 59 year-old arm is stronger than Fales. There's no way he can cut it in the northeast in November and December. No thanks. I hope the Jets totally steer clear of Fales. Were you not watching while Chad Pennington was here? I loved Chad and wanted the Jets to draft him, but aside from his injuries, he limited the offense. Opposing teams knew there were routes that he couldn't throw and the Jets never ran. It gave them fewer routes to have to cover or worry about and they were able to stack 8-9 men in the box. Do you really want to see a repeat of that? Those who don't learn lessons from history are doomed to repeat it.
Well if you have a stronger arm at 59, how come you didn't declare for the draft when you were 21 ? Chad had the potential to be a great QB in this league, of course injures derailed that - Fales is comparable to Chad in regards to what skill-sets he brings to the NFL and his arm is just as strong as Chad pre-injury. Fales doesn't have the strongest arm, but the ball comes out quick and extremely accurate. 2nd most accurate QB in this draft, Tom Brady doesn't have the strongest arm - yet the guy still makes plays. The mental makeup is there according to scouting reports. Sit him on the bench and let him develop as the 3rd QB.
In the strong winds of the northeast, particularly at the Meadowlands, an accurate arm doesn't mean bubkis if the ball can't cut through the wind and if the QB can't throw every route. I seriously doubt as if Fales would be able to throw deep outs, post patterns, flys or other deep/sideline routes. It doesn't matter how quickly the ball comes out or how accurate it is if it can't get to the receiver, or if they don't even run certain routes because of the weakness of the QBs arm. No thanks. I think you're nuts for wanting Fales. He just isn't a good fit for the Jets. If they played in a dome, maybe, but they don't.
With the top 2 QB positions on the depth chart pretty much set in stone for 2014, I would go for a low risk high reward player in the late rounds like Stephen Morris. IMO Morris EASILY has the strongest arm in the draft. He is athletic (I think he posted the 2nd fastest 40 at the combine behind Johnny Football). Also he ran a pro style offense in the ACC. Mike Glennon, the QB from last year's class who had arguably had the most success, also ran a pro style offense, played in the ACC and had an inconsistent senior season w/ sub 60% CMP and collegiate career highs in INTs. Unlike Glennon's though, Morris has the excuse of having to battle through his entire senior season with a significant ankle injury. Remember how Geno looked playing on a gimpy ankle? The thing about Morris is that he's not one of those "draft because of his measurables only" QBs that never really showed anything on the field (see Logan Thomas). Coming into the 2013 college season many scouts projected Morris as a potential first rounder now no one is talking about him. NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks attended the Manning Passing Academy in the 2013 offseason which included the country’s most high-profile quarterbacks and came away with the following: Stephen Morris might be the most talented quarterback in college football. I say that even while fully aware of the gifted passers across the college football landscape. The Miami signal-caller’s natural talents made him stand out above the rest of his peers at the throwing exhibition at the Manning Passing Academy. Morris spins the ball with exceptional velocity and zip while showing a deft touch on intermediate and deep passes. Most impressively, he is deadly accurate, capable of making pinpoint throws to every area of the field. This was evident not only when Morris won the air-it-out competition by hitting a variety of moving targets, but also when he connected with receivers on a number of intermediate throws, particularly on deep comebacks and digs. After cross-referencing the notes from my evaluation of Morris’ game tape with my observations of his performance at the Manning Passing Academy, I believe he could rate as one of the top pure passers in college football. He is an outstanding rhythm passer who displays terrific anticipation, awareness and timing in the pocket. Although he only has one year of starting experience at Miami, Morris’ remarkable physical tools and superb game-management skills could garner him high rankings on quarterback lists around the NFL.
Chad had enough arm-strength pre-injury to be a factor on the field - and I already mentioned Fales has similar arm strength, take a look at this article - it pretty much goes on about Fales and they are saying the same thing I am. http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/2/20/5431352/scouting-the-draft-david-fales-qb-san-jose-state The ability to put the ball only where the receiver can get it, his accuracy, it absolutely passes the eye test. It's a skill-set that can make a QB thrive at the next level. Even so, Marty could easily change the philosophy to a more short passing game (the essential WCO). The Jets have the personnel, all they need is a guy that can generate YAC. I like Fales or Mettenberger in the 3rd / 4th round - those are the QBs I am keeping an eye on.
I disagree with 6 franchise type guys. I see one, maybe two, just my opinion though. If Bridgewater fell to 18, I would hope the Jets would take him. I think he is going to be a star in this league.
That's why I said 2 to 5-6, not simply 6. Teddy and Carr will be franchise guys IMHO. Manziel could be the most dynamic playmaker in football. Folks seem to love Bortles protoypical size and arm. Wouldn't be shocked if Garapolo turned out to be one of the best of them. Mettenberger and Murray? Bunch of really really good QBs there. Or they could all suck _
legler82, Morris is one of my top 5 QBs in this draft. Manziel Carr Bridgewater Murray Morris Roughly but not strictly in that order.
I think a lot of people are sleeping on Carr. Guy has it all. Best arm in the class, REALLY quick release, good size, brilliant command of the offense, can read defenses, super accurate, throws a beautiful fade, great deep ball, very athletic, love his approach at the line, NFL pedigree (although his brother was in an impossible situation) and an incredible leader. The knock on the screens is silly because that WAS their running game. Oh, and we know he can throw screens. How he handles pressure is the biggest question, but I've seen him get knocked on his ass and get up, seen him throw in the face of bigtime pressure. _
I don't care what the media says. I used to post at ganggreennation, and the reason I don't any more is that I think that more often than not, I totally disagree with the main writers. Yes, the attributes you list for Fales are great and may help him succeed somewhere in the NFL, but I hope it's not with the Jets. I don't want another limited, weak-armed QB, and I don't think he'd ever succeed here regardless of how MM changed his offense. The Jets could have both Cooks and Beckham lining up at WR and Ebron at TE and I don't think Fales and the Jets' offense would be able to move the ball come November-December and playoff time. I don't care what you say about Fales, or which media "expert" you quote, or how you compare him to Chad. As I said, I loved Chad coming out of college and wanted the Jets to draft him. Even without his shoulder injuries, he was just too physically limited in terms of arm strength and athleticism. In retrospect, I see that I was wrong to ever want Chad. I don't want another QB like that EVER. All they do is tantalize and tease, but can't deliver when the chips are down. I hated, despised and detested Vinny Testaverde, but I'd rather have 20 more strong-armed, weak-minded QBs like him than one more like Chad. I also want a QB who can pick up first downs and TDs with his legs to keep opposing Ds honest. That's why I like Geno and one of the reasons why I like Bridgewater. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. Fales is probably the only player that if the Jets draft him, I will root that he busts. I don't ever want another weak-armed QB on the Jets roster again.
Wow, well that's pretty petty but that's all I needed to know. Hatred is an ugly thing to have. I hope we draft him for sure. You're making BS excuses for him not succeeding in the NFL, the guy can get the ball 30 to 45 yards down the field so everything you mentioned is void IMO.
Read much? I don't hate Fales and not wanting a weak-armed QB is NOT petty. That's assinine. I thought you were better than that, but I guess I was wrong. I have nothing against him personally. I just don't like weak-armed QBs, and you're wrong, he is a weak-armed QB.
It's crazy how low some of these draft sites have him projected. His year was not as bad as his the plummeting draft stock would indicate. When you factor in the ankle, how Miami's offensive scheme did not provide many easy throws, a la bubble-screen-Carr, and his butter fingered WRs/TEs, it don't get the low rankings. The guy still has arguably the best arm talent in the draft. Very few QBs currently starting in the league let alone in the draft can make some of the throws he can make. All that said,if we could pick him up in the 5th, 6th, 7th or as an UDFA, it would be great for us.
I think Carr's got as good of an arm, but nobody throws the deep ball as well as Morris. It's perfect.
It's the intermediate throws that wows be about his game. He throws the deep outs, square ins, posts and seams on ropes and with great anticipation. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9638695
