Manziel/Logan Thomas/Shaw(Though he has a lot of health scares from South Car.) are better athletes. I think Bortles is too. He isn't Eli Manning or Mike Glennon I mean but Geno's is the better athlete and Carr isn't gashing anybody when out of the pocket.
Yup, great athlete. Better arm than all of them and better smarts than all but Bridgewater--and they're pretty close. Someone is going to get a really good QB. _
Don't agree-I think Geno's athleticism is very overrated. Nothwithstanding some of the success he had last year, he's really not a very good runner. He looks almost awkward. I'd much prefer he stay in the pocket. _
Logan Thomas is like a rhinocerous. He's got straight line speed and really strong arms and legs but the guy is not a good scrambler and can't throw on the run. He might have the biggest difference in ability between standing in the pocket and throwing with his feet set vs. trying to throw on the move. Bortles is just big and strong. Carr is actually an excellent scrambler. He was sacked only 11 times in over 600 pass attempts... way better than any other QB in the draft. He had a Russell Wilson-like escape vs. San Diego State. Also had a terrific rollout run for a TD vs. Nevada if you want to check out what I'm saying.
Yeah I've NEVER thought of Thomas as being an athlete. Just a big bull. Move him to TE and he'll be a 10 year starter. _
Oh Thomas is a crap QB throwing wise and has a ton of flaws but he's the best physical athlete of this QB class.....enough to get him drafted somewhere day 3 and get converted to something else(if he's willing). He's just lost when it comes to what to do at the position. WAC Defenses.....USC closed in on Carr and he had zero time to wiggle or run(Didn't get sacked to his credit). He's going to see more physical athletes like what USC had on the next level. Also was in many shotgun formations as a means to try and combat the pressure the Trojans were getting.
I thought that going in but when I watched with greater attention to detail he wasn't nearly as bad as I thought... like I said except when throwing on the move. He's useless on the move and is not a good scrambler. Carr injured his (non-throwing) shoulder in the 1st quarter of that game and it looked like it affected him the rest of the way out. 54 passes and 6 rushing attempts for Fresno that game and USC gameplanned it perfectly. Dion Bailey shut down the screen all game and they refused to run the ball. Carr missed a number of easy tosses downfield after the shoulder injury... at least that's how I saw it. I know a lot of others saw it differently.
Not really a huge fan of Manuel, more than likely he's going to have a pretty good offense around him come next season. There will be growth in his game, but I consider durability a skill, and so far he has failed that aspect
I'm not sure how "he has failed in that respect"? I think maybe you're projecting him to have durability issues, but he's never missed a game and the one time he dinged his shoulder, he was back the very next week without missing a beat. The time he dinged his knee, he immediately went back into the game--he may have only missed a snap or 2. That's pretty durable. _
I'm not really a "fan" either, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize that he has talent. Durability is a combination of hard work/rigorous conditioning/training, genetics and luck. Therefore, I can't agree with you that it's a skill. Some guys go through their careers and never suffer a major injury. Others work just as hard, and suffer one injury after another. Chad was a hard worker and look at how many labrum/rotator cuff/shoulder injuries he had. CuMar's work ethic was famous, but he also ran out of bounds every chance he got, and didn't fight for yardage, so he avoided taking big hits. As you know, a QB is dependent upon his OL, his OC, his defense to keep the other team's score down so he doesn't have to throw on every down, and his own instincts, but even with the best of instincts and conditioning if their OC, defense and/or OL let them down, there's not a whole lot they can do.
Wait a minute JStokes thinks this years QB class is better than last years QB class? I never knew that. This is literally the first time I've heard his thoughts on the '13 and '14 QB classes. I wonder what he thinks of Geno Smith........
The knocks to Teddy Bridgewater don't really seem to have any true founding to me. I think he has a good shot of going as high as 2nd overall, and a way outside shot of going #1. I think #1 is most likely going to be Clowney but Bridgewater is a pro-ready heady QB with a mildly thin build. He has the arm strength to be a top pick, and he will only get bigger as he gets older. I think his most likely landing spot is 3 with the Jaguars, although it is possible a team trades up to 2 to get him. Manziel has more legitimate questions, but he is still the 2nd most pro-ready in terms of what he can do. He will have to change his game a little but as long as he looks to pass first, his abilities can give lots of teams trouble in poor conditions. The Browns play 11 games every year in open stadiums in the AFC North. 8 in Cleveland, 1 in Pittsburgh, 1 in Cincinnati, and 1 in Baltimore. The chances of playing in poor conditions is very strong, and a QB who can move well could prove very elusive and valuable to a team like Cleveland who I think could take him at #4. Bortles is physically the most pro-ready of all of them, and has an excellent arm but less experience doing what he'll need to do in the pros than the other two I mentioned. His prototype build is perfect for the vikings, as I've said new HC Mike Zimmer must be tired of running a great defense but losing in the playoffs every year because of QB on the low end of arm strength (Andy Dalton) and Adrian Peterson will be able to take pressure off Bortles out of the gate, (assuming he beats out Cassel in camp). I think Carr is the next most likely to go, maybe to the Bengals at 24. He would have a great surrounding cast and his excellent deep ball touch is going to get AJ Green a ton of receptions and TD's. Marvin Lewis has to be tired of Dalton's limitations as well, and Dalton is going into a contract year. If the Bengals go 9-7 and get a middling pick next year, they may be forced to overpay Dalton in order not to lose him. Don't forget, Jay Gruden, the guy who wanted Dalton, left for a HC gig in Washington. I doubt they feel tied to a 2nd round QB who has shown little improvement from his 1st year. Since the Texans took Clowney 1st overall, they'll need a QB and Mettenberger has the best shot at making it in the NFL. Bill O'Brien is an Excellent QB coach, so unless they find intangibles they really like in Garoppolo, Mettenberger is probably their guy at the top of the 2nd round. Mettenberger is used to big time defenses, and showed good accuracy and deep ball ability throwing to OBJ and Jarvis Landry at LSU. If the Texans take him here regardless of how well they all do, that still makes 5 QB's picked before Geno was. Garoppolo has a good chance of going before the end of the second round as well.
thoughts on Fales? any love? if we take a qb I think it would be a guy like him or Murray with one of our fourths
