Receivers are gazelles. Corners are cheetahs. If we have a contest where Deion has to cover Jerry Rice for an hour and then Rice has to cover Deion, where's your money? If Revis covers prime TO and then TO tries to cover Revis? It's one thing to get in and out of breaks. It's another to copy a world class athlete doing it. Jerry Rice and TO ain't locking down SHIT. that's why CB's are the purest pro athletes in the world. Rex knows it. Parcells sure as shit knows it too, whatever BS he's riffing on a given day.
he was hurt and a big reason why peyton got going was b/c the DBs were dropping like flies. the bottom line is we had the best pass D in the league and the best I have ever seen from a jets D especially w/o a pass rush. revis deserves bulk of credit for taking away top threats but if you don't have other guys the other players will kill you and that didn't happen.
Yeah, being injured was a big part of why he sucked, and smart QBs (namely your binky Peyton) knew to target him on sharp routes to expose the secondary. Him and Coleman, actually, once Strickland got headhunted by the Patriots. More like Revis and the jailbreak blitzes that Rex called all year deserved the bulk of the credit, the more teams picked up those blitzes each year , the less effective the pass coverage was each year, aside from Revis who was automatic. Also, teams were targeting Revis way more during that 2009 season and then threw at the rest of the secondary, the weakness, more and more each year.
those blitzes started losing effectiveness midseason. we still needed to cover besides revis and our pass D did that. we've never had a good pash rush under Rex and outside of last year we have always had good secondaries.
In 2011 the Jets had the 8th fewest passes thrown against them while also having the 11th most rushing attempts against in a year where their offense couldn't stay on the field. It's not that they had a good pass defense that year, it's that few teams bothered to test them when the rush defense was bending a lot.
our rush D allowed 3.9 YPC which is good, when we lost late in the year there was one big pass play on the Cruz TD, other than that everything was on the ground. which games did we lose b/c of the pass D? the NE games? what else?
Don't move the goalposts, junc, they didn't lose through the air because few teams were passing against them much, they didn't have to.
if teams thought they could they would have , right? 3.9 YPC was 7th in the league, it wasn't the 2013 Jets or 2009 but they were good. Remember, we couldn't run it on offense and we fell behind early so teams would try to run out the clock on us. That doesn't mean they were running all over us.
I am not sure what that means other than if opponents thought they could have had more success through the air they would have thrown more.
I think it means their defense couldn't stop teams from running the ball into the endzone but I'm going to have to double check that.
No, I wasn't under that impression. I saw that you're a fan of his. I can read and comprehend. I'm not a fan of his, but am willing to give him credit where credit is due. My point of agreeing was to point out how blindly some (many) Jets fans misattribute things to Rex. They are totally blind to his shortcomings and weaknesses and think he can do no wrong because they love him so much. There were no homosexual overtones. I intentionally used that metaphor as an extreme to show how some Jets fans are so blindly in love with Rex that he can do no wrong. It's akin to young love where one views one's beloved as perfect.
One of these days, people will stop pigeon holing Rex based on cliches and silly phrases. Do you honestly believe that Rex only coaches up the line and knows nothing about DBs? Did Ellis play better under Rex than Mangini? For somebody who's claiming that statement to be absolutely false, you sure present nothing but circumstantial evidence at best. We had Jenkins for like 4 games out of his 3 years here, he was a non factor. This is silly drama. Rex prioritizes high value corners because they are integral to his schemes. I know his roots are with linesmen, but to suggest his weakness is DBs, just because his forte is linesmen is a bit silly. It would be nice if maybe you presented something other than straw grasping. And yes, Rex WILL get more out of his corners than most others BECAUSE OF the D line. I can't even take this shit seriously. Everything is just black and white to some folks. Richardson proves you wrong as well. The kid was an absolute beast, even before he met Rex. If Rex could just pick average linesman and coach them up, they wouldn't have used #13 on Richardson.
Yeah, uh, in case you haven't noticed, people that know football have been having a discussion in this thread since the OP. But hey, I think we both know you were just using this as an opportunity to drag that tired ass martyr complex out, like usual, to do some more stereotyping of Jets fans and continue proving just how much of a predictable lightweight that you are, which seems like common practice in the world of Barcs. But go on ahead and keep pretending that you are some kind of mensch, because you seem to be the only one that takes you seriously.
I think you're mistaking scheme mastery/coaching to positional technique coaching. I certainly don't dispute Rex's scheme mastery, or his ability to understand and utilize the skills of every player on the defensive roster. That is different from positional technique coaching, where the coaches break down and coach up the physical movements of the player, and teach the player how to mentally and physically maximize the skills they have. When it comes to that, the defensive line is clearly Rex's specialty. I think the coaching staff is, if anything, a little under appreciated. I don't mean Rex so much, but Dennis Thurman (Defensive backs coach every year of Rex's tenure until he was promoted to defensive coordinator this year) and Karl Dunbar (defensive line coach since 2012) in particular. Pettine clearly had a hand as well before he left, and he and Jim O'Neil were the linebacker specialists that helped make our linebackers so productive in 2009 and 2010. Rex is an expert on defense, in pretty much every aspect, but his coordinators and position coaches help him orchestrate everything, and spend much more time with each player overall. Coaching is a fraternity, and it's how coaching trees develop. If you get a head coach gig, you bring your guys with you. If you're successful, teams will hire away your second in command because they know he is part of what makes your organization successful. I think it's a largely underrated part of what makes teams improve and decline year to year. Chemistry between coaches is even more important that chemistry between players, and losing the wrong person can make a lot of difference. Hiring good coordinators is part of what makes you a good head coach. I believe both Pettine and Thurman are excellent coaches, I have no doubt Thurman will get his shot at a head coaching gig before 2018 or so. That being said, I'm not really sure I'd call cornerbacks his weakness per se. I think Rex values high powered CB's because of what it allows him to do with the numbers on the field. When you have two cover corners who can press and cover reliably down the field, you usually only need one safety over the top, if any. That makes him free to implement many different looks on defense, and gives him the ability to blitz safeties or put 9 the box. Antonio Allen could be very useful to the defense, especially if we do have two cover corners. Allen can line up across from a TE in the slot or tight on the line, and play the run or drop into man coverage on the TE. Very few safeties can do both of those things effectively, and it gives Rex a very versatile guy. It's not that Rex can't run a scheme that doesn't rely on 2 cover corners, because he is perfectly capable of designing more zone coverages and still being successful. The Jets have invested heavily into the defensive line the past few years, creating a different dynamic. It's a numbers game really, but you stack the deck in your favor when you have guys who account for more numbers than usual. Snacks is a massive guy who sits over the center and basically clogs the gaps on either side of the center, making sure no runs get through. His skills basically are that he is so big he uses his leverage to keep the center from moving him in any direction. If they try to run through the gaps Snacks is responsible for, he sheds the block and wraps up the runner. He isn't a dominant pass-rusher, although he may occasionally be able to abuse an undersized center for a sack or two. If an offense wants to run the it up the middle, they really have no choice but to double team Snacks with the center and the guard from whichever side the play is to. The only problem is when you have a a freak like Mo Wilk playing defensive end, sending the guard to double Snacks leaves a tackle to try and block Mo, or a tackle and a TE. If you're dedicating 4 blockers to 2 defenders, and are successfully able to get some push at the point of attack, you're still going to have at least 2 or 3 linebackers coming in to make the tackle and probably a safety too. Sheldon on the other side is basically the same in that context, our three starting linemen are just so disruptive and difficult to block that none of them can really be successfully blocked 1-on-1 in a running play. Mo has become a more vital part to our defense than any cornerback. He is dominant against the run, but he can literally line up at any defensive line position and maintain that dominance. On top of that, he has successfully incorporated multiple pass rushing techniques into his repertoire, and he can get to the quarterback from any defensive line position when taking on a single block, and more often than not a double team can't stop him either. So basically if you want to mess with a QB, you have Mo switch where he lines up pre snap. Because of his ability to get to the QB, if you don't change the protection to focus on his new position, you're basically giving up on the play before you snap it. Enter Q, another guy who can rush the passer from just about anywhere. He's not really an ideal run stopping DE, but when he's rushing the passer he has the wicked combination of size and athleticism to take on pretty much any blocker. He can beat a tackle on the outside but he can make interior linemen look silly with his quickness too. So Rex can have Mo move pre-snap, hopefully either getting Mo into a good rushing situation, or forcing the offense to draw the focus away from a guy like Q. Stopping the run successfully and forcing passing situations is key for this defense. Po'uha, DeVito, and Shaun Ellis were all good players, but none of them had anything on Mo. By totally ruining the QB's concentration and calm, you don't need a CB who plays perfect man coverage on both sides. As I said, certain players mess up the numbers game, meaning the guys up front demand more attention now than on Rex's previous Jets teams. It's easier to keep a safety back to help out in coverage when you need 1 less guy on the line to outnumber the offense. Maybe this is too much explanation but people have been calling for a top CB as if we couldn't get by without 1, when that is just not true. Assuming we did get a top CB in the draft like Dennard, we could develop a top overall defense as soon as this season. You don't need the top overall defense to win games, as long as you're strengthening your team in different areas. It just makes sense to me that if Dennard is there we should take him because we can get 1 or even 2 WRs later in the draft that will both have starting potential. If you get Dennard in the 1st, and have a shut down defense, sign Chris Johnson to strengthen your running attack, and draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round who doesn't even have to start right away, that has the potential to be a very good team. But remember, it is just one option among many.
It is your thread and you seem to have addressed just about every post aside from my critique of your OP on the last page. Curious what your answer to the points I raised would be.
