I totally agree with both pclfan and you regarding Rex. It's amazing how some Jets fans are so in love with Rex. I swear, I honestly think some heterosexual Jets fans on here would bend over or get on their knees for Rex they're so in love with him.
The object isn't to just "get by," it's to thrive. With Rex being very good with DL and also having perhaps the best DL coach in the business, adding very talented DL was a smart thing to do, especially since, they were locked into Pace's and Thomas' contracts through 2012, and they knew they had to try to generate the pass rush from somewhere. Rex'x first year or two, much, if not most of the pass rush was generated from DBs blitzing. When the NFL caught up with that and it stopped working, Rex had to find another way to generate pressure. Getting in position to draft top OLB prospects means you've lost a lot of games. Even if the Jets had lost, they still were locked into Pace's and Thomas' contracts, so probably would have looked elsewhere anyway. When Idzik arrived, he simply went bpa, and that's why Richardson was added.
And some guys will never get over Rex's failure to get on his knees for Tim Tebow. It just is what it is. To kind of keep things in perspective: every year but 2011 Rex has gotten as much or more out of the Jets as anybody could have and Tim Tebow is a college football analyst for ESPN.
Now we'll have to see if he's qualified to keep the job or if a great broadcast world conspiracy works to blackball him there, too.
I love it when kids who've been following football for like 2 years come onto TGG and tell us how bad Rex Ryan is.
His weaknesses is being wayyyyyy to loyal to his favorites and offense. However, defense is the one thing Rex does better than almost anyone. It's the only reason he is still here. He makes our defense make up for a lot of the short fields our horrible O puts us in.
This thread has next to no validity until 8 months go by at the minimum. Wilson was one of the top nickel backs last season, he'll probably keep improving from there. That's not quite what you hope for from a low 1st round pick but it's close enough to a push that it proves nothing as an isolated case, it speaks more to the decision to draft that particular prospect in the first place or maybe it says even less than that due to the inherently uncertain nature of the draft especially after the standout prospects are gone. Cromartie was already an established player when he came here, and he more or less lived up to what you'd expect from him. Had some up years and down years but that doesn't speak to Rex's development of corners that's just the player the team paid to bring in. The main answer to the question is Milliner, and it's too soon to say much about that definitively. He came on very strong, and if that trend continues this thread looks ridiculous especially after you factor Revis' production. If he flops then yeah you probably have a point but that will also probably be the last straw for Rex so he can work on that issue with his next team. I think you could also make a case that Walls developed nicely out of nowhere under Rex. He gave up some big plays but he was always in position to break things up, he just didn't quite have enough athleticism or anticipation or however you want to attribute it to close those last few inches. As far as the Rex argument goes that's still probably chalked up as a small/medium victory on the pro Rex side of the argument.
Lito played pretty damn well in 2009, very underrated from that team. Cro in 2012. Cro wasn't great in 2010 and he was hurt in 2013 but overall he played well here.
Players come into the NFL as 20 somethings the development in the NFL is only incremental. How much influence does any coach have over the development of a player I think not that much. What a good coach does at the NFL level is put the players in a position to succeed and scheme to a players strengths or weaknesses. The ability of the player to adjust to the speed of the game and the complexity of the game are the players that succeed. The coach that has a bigger impact on technique especially the early years is the positional coach not the HC or Coordinator where there primary job is scheme and game planning.
That's kind of my point about Coleman. If he was known as a good blitzing cornerback... is there really anything else to say? He couldn't cover. That's what cornerbacks do.
Are you under the impression that I started this thread to trash Rex? I'm actually a fan of his, I just like to understand better his strengths and weaknesses. Not every thread started needs to be black and white hating or loving somebody. I'm not even sure what the point of your post is supposed to be, other than to convey homosexual undertones.
This discussion only happens on this board, God bless it. Great topic. Which is whether Rex does or doesn't, relative to his peers, "coach up" the productivity of his CB's. I have to agree with soxx and others. How the F do you begin to quantify this? Cornerbacks are arguably the most skilled athletes in the world, doing hyper-God-given athletic shit that Carl Lewis and Bruce Jenner never dreamed of. What is it that Rex, or any coach, can really DO in terms of improving what is required of the player assigned to cover Calvin Johnson et al? "Turn your hips like this, not like that!" Really? Rex is going to verbally communicate to an NFL CB something that he hasn't heard before? Something contrary to his insane athletic abilities? Even if so, how would we, as fans, ever see or begin to understand that communication in evidence? Love this board.
