Something I've been thinking about lately is that we'll know how far QB's will drop after the 2nd pick of the draft. It is possible that there are going to be some real value picks in the 2-4th round in terms of QB talent. This is quite possible if none of the top 5 teams think this years QB draft isn't top of the 1st quality OR they decide the drop off between the first tier and 2nd tier QB's isn't that big of a drop off. If that's the case look for most, if not all, of the "first round" QB's to be on the board still at 18 or later. If a QB goes in one of the top 2 picks there will be a run on QB's in the first. If no QB goes in the top 5 then most, if not all, of the top 4 QBs in the draft are on the board at #18.
That's an interesting point of view. I guess it's going to come down to how the top 5 teams see Clowney, Matthews, Robinson, Mack and Watkins. If you see those guys as absolute Grade-A prospects then it becomes much harder to take one of the QB's and pass on them.
Cimini's new mock 18 has no Bridgewater in it. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/37568/our-mini-mock-draft-version1-0
Except Smith had more negative noise surrounding him leading into the draft. I think most people fully expected the pick to be Rodgers. Truth be told, you can't take anything away from these reports. If anything, it's a bunch of execs posturing so they have a better shot at the player. Could he fall to #26? Sure. But 99% of reports leading up to the draft are bogus because teams spin a bunch of tales. And why not? If you were an exec, you'd want guys like Clowney, Bridgewater, etc. to have their negative traits blown out of proportion.
Look at the guys who had negative spin going into the draft and where they wound up drafted. Geno Smith is the reality there. At the rate Teddy Bridgewater is going he will have more negative spin than Geno had last year going into the draft. All I'm saying is that if you look at the spin right now from all angles what it suggests is that Teddy Bridgewater is going to take a tumble on draft day. You have to look really hard to find a guy who was under attack the way he is who didn't fall on draft day, particularly at QB.
After you consider all of that then you have to begin to ask yourself the question...if Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater or Carr is there at 18 do you take them? So far I have heard that Idzik is a BPA guy...and if you have a shot at a franchise QB at 18 you take that plunge. Regardless of skill position of need. We have 12 picks and draft is WR deep. We have two number 1 picks in the secondary and either they play up to potential or you kick them to the curb. If one of those guys is there at 18 and the Jets pass you will hear the boos raining down.
if bridgewater is there at 18 it would be a good oppurtunity to turn that into an extra 2nd round pick this year and a 1st round pick next year. based on the roster right now, i would be pretty happy with a move like that
Here's the problem with a QB pick at 18: if you do that you are throwing Geno Smith away. Nobody takes a QB in the 1st round with any expectation other than that they'll be playing them sooner rather than later. Nobody takes ANYBODY in the 1st round with the expectation that they're part of a competition or quality depth or a better shot at a starter at that position combined with the existing talent. If you take a QB at 18 it means you believe that Geno is a failed pick and that there is no future at all in playing him. I don't think the Jets have the depth to make that kind of decision at this point. I think they have to take a player they are planning to start this year at 18. I think they have to take a player they believe will be the long-term starter at 18. Taking a QB in the 3rd or 4th round is a completely different decision. You may well be taking a guy to throw into a competition or as quality depth in case your current QB's fail. I just don't see the Jets making the 1st round move on a QB this year. I think in order to accomplish that and help the team they'd have to know they could move Geno Smith for a pick afterwards.
I'd hope that they'd pass on Bortles, maybe Carr, and maybe even Manziel, but if they passed on Bridgewater, I might go off the deep end.
I disagree. Just because the Jets took a QB at #18 doesn't mean they're throwing Geno away or that he was a failed pick. That's utter nonsense imo. I agree that it means that his starting days are probably over, but it wouldn't mean that he was a failed pick at all. He could still be given a chance to beat out that QB, and even if he failed to beat out the new QB, but still played very well, the Jets would be set at QB for the next 10 years with that QB as the starter and Geno as the backup, or they could trade Geno for possibly multiple picks. QB is THE most important position on the team. I like Geno as well as anyone and better than most, but even I admit that he is far from a proven commodity and the QB position could be upgraded. You don't pass up on the chance to draft a potential franchise QB unless you know you already have one. That isn't the case with the Jets. Geno could prove not to be the answer and the Jets could build a solid, deep team, but without a quality QB the chances of their winning a SB are slim and none. Karma has a way of biting you in the ass, and if the Jets passed up the chance to draft a potential franchise QB like Bridgewater, then they'd deserve to be a perennial 10-12 game loser for the next 5-10 years.
You realize how ridiculous you sound, right? 10-12 game loser for the next 5-10 years? That's pure "nobody likes me everybody hates me I'm going to eat some worms."
Prepare to go off the deep end then because I am guessing that if Bridgewater is there at 18 the Jets will take the BPA anyway and that's not going to be Bridgewater. It's unclear if any of the QB's in this draft are actually top 20 caliber talent given the other options available in this year's draft. The 3rd or 4th guy taken clearly will not be.
I wonder what JStokes thinks of the 2013 QB class compared to this years class. I don't think I've heard from him on this matter yet.
I disagree. Bridgewater is a top 10 talent. If other clubs are stupid and he drops, that doesn't mean that he wasn't a top ten talent, just that they're stupid.
Yes, if they pass on the chance to take a true franchise QB, they deserve to be a perennial loser for the next 10 years. I'm sick of rooting for a team with a clueless tool for an owner and one clueless GM after another. I believe Karma has bitten the Jets in the ass many times over the years due to their stupid decisions and hires. It has left a sorry, embarrassing history and the team has been a joke for most of its history. If Idzik is stupid enough to pass on Teddy, then I want him fired
The Jets have not been a perennial loser since the mid 90's. The idea that failing to take a QB in this draft if one was available would somehow cause them to revert to perennial loser status is just hysterically silly. The Jets could draft nobody this year, just pass their 12 picks and they'd probably win 6 games next year.
Lol I've been at The Masters then sailing off the Pacific Palisades since Wednesday so I haven't really been keeping up with this thread so I just read the last page filled with some of the funniest crap I've ever read from our resident Genofile/Any other QB hater and I just have to chuckle. I get that I have a bias towards taking a QB but the spin that guy is throwing out is MC Escher-like. Seriously and convolutingly stupid. _
While I'm not prescribing to the thought that if we pass on someone we revert to perennial loser....I will say that if one or two of the top 4 QB's drop to us at 18 and we do not take them then we are definitely not trying to make the team better. QB is no different than any other position on the field in so much that if you have the opportunity to get better then you make sure you do so. I also do not subscribe to some of the comments on here saying we have to "flush" Geno if we pick up a QB at 18. Geno was a 2nd round pick so there's no beholden loyalty necessary to the guy. No need to feel like we screwed him out of an opportunity or anything like that. At the worst we would make the QB position more competitive AND stable. With 12 picks we have the opportunity to really do some damage and better our roster...across the board. I can think of only a VERY small handful of guys on this squad that should be considered a "lock." Everyone else is debatable. Period.
Don't bother arguing with that guy. He's helpless. You do realize according to him Teddy, Manziel, Bortles And Carr all have issues and probably suck, but last years class was stellar. Been sailing the last 3 days with a lifelong Bucs fan and he can't believe how bad Glennon is and he was BY FAR the best rookie QB last year. But we should just build around Geno lol. _
I just disagree on that point. We took a QB last year and saw ups and downs and then ups again before things were finished. I think taking any of the top QB's this year would be a basic waste of resources unless the Jets saw enough last year to be convinced Geno's not the answer. You just don't pass up a prime prospect at another position to take the 3rd or 4th best QB unless you're sure the guy you have is not the answer. Taking a mid-rounds QB is a different proposition. That's a value play. The Seahawks didn't take Russell Wilson in the 1st or 2nd round even though he was there. They took him in the 3rd round. That's when the value of competition began to override the pure prospect values involved. I'm not going to have any problem if the Jets decide to take Murray or McCarron or Mettenberger or Fales or any of the mid-rounds prospects when they get to that point in the draft, maybe on one of the 4th round picks. That's a good use of the pick to strengthen the most important position on the field. Unless they have given up on Geno or believe that he is unlikely to come through they need to avoid using a higher pick on a QB. If they take Bridgewater or Bortles this year and he fails alongside Geno then we wind up having to use a high pick again in a year or two and at that point the value invested in the draft at QB begins to weigh down the overall roster. Better to take a competition guy this year, not a guy you have to start but somebody who could push Geno and take the job if Geno fails. Then if you have too you invest a high pick in a QB next year when the prospects are better. I really don't like the guys at the top of this draft. There are a few 1st round prospects there but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the best QB in the draft comes out of the 3rd round or lower. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all of the top prospects fall by the wayside when they run into NFL competition. You can make a case for any of them being a good NFL QB but that case is full of buts and ifs.
