Mo Wilk

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  1. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    EDIT: Revis actually signed the extension for $11.5 million per year. That's what I get for looking on Wikipedia. The point remains the same however, and it just makes Tanny look even worse for signing Cro to that big deal in 2011.
     
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    An argument can be made for extending him early, but the sooner a player has a contract the sooner he doesn't have to play for one. Every year a player can be had at a bargain amount is great, and Honestly the fact that we have Richardson, Harrison, and Coples gives us leverage over Mo. No doubt he is better, but Sheldon's emergence takes away some of Mo's inherent value to the team. If you give Mo a contract early, and Sheldon keeps up his level of play, he's going to be able to be like hey if you just paid Mo because he deserved it, I'm ranked as one of the top defensive ends too and I got there ben quicker than Mo. It's like I was saying, we all like Mo and want him to get his, but you need to run an organization consistently. If Mo has an all-pro year in 2014, that means he has improved consistently every year in the league. That kind of consistency is great, and he will get paid accordingly. No need to jump the gun if Mo is publicly not applying the pressure.
     
  3. TonyMaC

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    then I guess my first projection was more on the nose then.

    The argument to extend him NOW from the jets perspective would be over wether or not its better to have him cheap NOW or a couple of years from now.

    NOW, theres 25 million dollars of cap space sitting there doing nothing. him being cheap in 2014 doesn't mean much, and one could argue that could be sacrificed for the sake of an easier hit a few years from now win it might mean more.

    If that opportunity isn't present because of lack of interest, 5th year extension it is, but if it is why not take it? A Richardson extension is a couple of years off and will be subject to whatever cap scenario the Jets are in come 2016-17, all that will really be effected based on Mo's deal is the price.
     
  4. MaximusD163

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    I don't know if Richardson's class has the same 5th year option, but if not, an extension with two years left on his contract (which is what Wilk would have now) is actually this coming offseason.
     
  5. TonyMaC

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    EVERY draft class 2011 onward has that option for first rounders.

    the date is always May 3rd apparently as well, Richardson's (and Milliner's) 5th year extension date is May 3rd, 2016, the year after his third season.

    Coples' extension date comes next year, Mo's is in a month.

    Should Sheldon's be used he'll be on contract through 2017, Wilkerson's 7th season, and make the amount on his rookie deal the previous year.
     
  6. MaximusD163

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    Gotcha. The owners really made out on that one. It's basically a 5 year contract that ends a year early if you don't want him, and you don't even have to cut him.
     
  7. TonyMaC

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    Made out like bandits alright, I feel bad for RB's in particular seeing as how it feels like thats the duration of their careers before they are considered "old", not that they seem to be desirable first rounders anyway.
     
  8. MaximusD163

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    If no backs usually go in the first round, they don't have to worry about the option, and most backs don't contribute a whole lot year one. If you prove you're a solid back you'll get the chance for a second contract. They just don't garner what other positions do anymore in general.
     
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    I would think the first would be more in line but a big signing bonus with high option amounts towards the end may bring it down a little more the first couple of years.
     
  10. JetLifeLo

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    You know who i can picture giving us a slight headache for a big money extension when the time comes. The guy in my avatar. I think Rex will slip and call him the best DE in the league one day and yall know the rest. Déjà vu
     
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    You never know, but the rookie contracts really limit the leverage players have until they are up.
     
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    Okay man I am inexperienced here so I hope you don't mind me asking. How do rookie contracts limit leverage for player s trying to get a second contract?
     
  13. MaximusD163

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    Before the CBA they were bargaining for back in 2011, there wasn't a rookie wage scale for one. The top rookie selected in the 2010 draft (Sam Bradford) signed a 6 year $78 million dollar rookie deal. The top pick of the 2011 draft (Cam Newton) signed a 4 year $22 million rookie deal. All first round picks are also eligible to have a 5th year option activated, meaning if a team doesn't want to keep a rookie for a 5th year, they don't even take the small penalties for cutting the player, but if he plays very well they don't even have to bargain with the player to get him a whole year at a low price. Also, CBA does not recognize extensions given to players before they have completed 3 seasons, meaning a holdout is utterly meaningless until going into their 4th year. That means Sheldon can't hold out until the 2016 offseason.
     
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    In a more roundabout way it makes your job easier to replace too, you can draft 3 defensive linemen in 3 years for instance, and make your strongest unit also one of your cheapest. Drafting 3 players in the first round at defensive line was a great way to tie up too much money in one corp in the past, now it's no problem. That's one reason it's no big deal to draft a CB in the first round two years in a row as well.
     
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    The rookie wage cap was billed as a wage earner for veteran players, since it did away with huge rookie deals with lots of guaranteed money. In fact it was a trojan horse aimed at the entire salary structure. Cheap rookies doesn't help vets, it exposes them instead to being replaced cost-effectively by a 1st or 2nd round rookie. Second contracts have become the place people make their money and teams just aren't bidding that second contract up very often.

    It used to be you had 10 rookies guaranteed a pretty big deal with 3 blockbusters. Now no rookies are guaranteed a huge deal and the veteran free agent market pays the same two or three guys a huge deal that it did before the cap.

    Total win for the owners on that one.

    The percentage of guaranteed money did go up some but in a much smaller rookie pie.
     
  16. TonyMaC

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    He will make more than Wilkerson for sure, if only because he was picked higher so he'll be making more per year than Wilkerson on his rookie deal. Just as well "inflation" of sorts will occur as the salary cap increases and another generation of DE's get paid.
     
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    Thank you much for that! I do know about the rookie cap but it's good to get it out into perspective. I did read about how somebody said that 5th year option was only for the players drafted in the year that CBA went in (or I think I did) is that the case or is that 5 th year opt like a regular thing now?
     
  18. MaximusD163

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    This is the first offseason it will be possible as this is the 3rd offseason since the first rookie class with it as part of their contracts, so we will see how often it is put into use but if I had to guess it will be pretty common. It is in all 1st round rookie contracts, including 2012 rookies, 2013 rookies and beyond (shoutout as someone just told me that but I can't remember who).
     
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    I think its coming before the season starts
     
  20. TonyMaC

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    http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/wilkerson-told-gang-i-want-to-be-a-jet-for-life/


    “I told them at the end of the year last year that I want to be a Jet — a Jet for life,” Wilkerson said at a Play 60 appearance at the team’s headquarters. “I’m from the area [Linden, N.J.], I’m a local guy, so I would love to be here and finish my career here.”

    well that bodes well. Heres hoping a hometown disocut is in the works, around 8 mill a year sounds about right.
     

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