-The New York Knicks 2013-2014 Season Thread-

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  1. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 2m
    Knicks got outscored by 30 pts in the 19 mins Hardaway & Stoudemire played together in Feb loss @ MIA. Today, outscored by 18 pts in 12 mins

    This shows Woodson's lack of adjustments for whatever reason. Stat and THJ just kind of don't fit against an aggressive D like Miami. You have to make quick decisions and pass. Otherwise you better make contested shots.

    Oh well, this type of game was expected
     
  2. displacedfan

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    The leave people wide open from 3 strategy comes back to haunt the Knicks. Who would have thought that?

    Honestly though, in their win streak the defense got better but through active hands and deflections and less turnovers. They were not letting teams get out in transition and they were deflecting and mucking up offenses. They still had their terrible breakdowns, they were just well hidden. Kind of like last year
     
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    I hope nobody fell for the mini run thinking the Knicks were gonna storm back. Classic mini run punctuated by leaving people open from 3 and giving up layups
     
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    Miami 12/26 for three.

    Bosh his usual self, though. 1/3 for three
     
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    JR now has the most 3 point field goals attempted in a game with 22. He did hit 10 of them and it's 3rd time hitting double digit 3s in a game.

    Atlanta magic number is now 4.
     
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    Did Melo start his vacation already? Did he even shoot once in the 4th? geez
     
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    Amazingly enough, he didn't.
     
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    Yeah he passed out of almost all his touches. It made sense though considering he has been shooting terrible these last two games. (due to the injury )
     
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    He really didn't? I could of sworn I didn't see him take a shot but then I thought, nah. That's crazy! I must have missed him. Was it JR acting like he didn't have teammates, or is his shoulder hurting?
     
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    Looked shoulder related/ no good looks. He passed to lead to a few JR 3s and an Amare dunk. He hit Shump open from 3 down 7 that Shump missed. Then very late, JR took over down 9 with 1:30 left. At that point though JR had hit 5 3s that Q alone.
     
  11. Jetfanmack

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    I'm not a Knicks fan, but it's an indictment on Melo that he can't get to the playoffs in the East this season.

    That said...whoever thought surrounding a guy like Melo with guys like JR Smith and Andrea Bargnani lost his damn mind.
     
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    The Knicks hurt my heart.
     
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    Knicks are in big trouble now. Atlanta won so they are now 2 games even behind.
     
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    It doesn't matter. Eventually they all play the same amount of games. Each Hawks win is a 1/2 game. Each Knicks win is a 1/2 game. 1 game behind is one game behind. Atlanta having more games doesn't give them some magical advantage because they could still just as easily lose as win. Bottom line is that if your team is one game behind, they are one game behind whether it's win or loss column. In the end you need to win more games and lose less. Saying we have to rely on Atlanta losing is the same as saying we have to rely on the Knicks winning, because both are true and there's no reason to think they'll keep the same pace as one another. And now the Knicks are just fucked unless the Hawks lose both these upcoming game, and the cards all fall right. I doubt it, at this point and it doesn't even matter. Melo will not have the energy to make it through any deep playoff run. He's already worn out now.
     
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    Melo's leading the entire league in minutes played this year. He can't carry the team on his own and quite frankly he's wearing down as a result. Dolan & Woodson are both responsible, but Melo has been very productive this year. He needs support. Dolan pretty much fucked this team in the ass. Hopefully Phil Jackson can turn this ship around.
     
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    Atlanta's magic number is 3. It's finally almost over.
     
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    At the time it did matter. On April 3rd

    NYK was 33-43 with .434 winning %
    ATL was 32-42 with .432 winning %

    It does matter here. If you are tied in the loss column, you don't need the other team to lose to finish with the same or better record.. If you are behind in the loss column, but have the 8 seed due to % points and uneven schedule, you still need the other team to lose to finish with the same or better record. That's why acting like NYK being the 8 seed at this point and time and ignoring loss column is silly.

    No there is a difference between being 1 behind in the loss column than win column:

    Team A 82-0. Team B 81-0. Team B is 1 game behind in the win column.

    Team C 79-1. Team D 79-2. Team D is 1 hame behind in the loss column.

    Team B can still tie team A by only winning their last game. Team D cannot tie team C by only winning their last game. They need to win their last game AND team C needs to lose one of their last 2 games for Team D to tie.

    End of the day, it didn't matter as NY lost to WAS and MIA and ATL beat IND.

    The Knicks are now 3 back in the loss column and Atlanta has the tiebreaker.

    Oh "magic number" I referenced last post, that means any combination of 3 Atlanta wins or Knicks losses eliminates the Knicks.
     
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    No, didn't matter one bit. Hawks were and are still guaranteed the tiebreaker. Knicks had to finish one ahead
     
  20. displacedfan

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    Which is why them being the 8 seed didn't matter and the L column did. In our scenario we had to be one ahead, which is why being the 8th seed meant nothing at the time since we were 1 behind in the L column. The loss column was the thing the Knicks were chasing the whole. Just because they happened to get the 8 seed by a scheduling/record quirk didn't change the fact being one back in the L column was the more important thing.

    It always was until the Knicks knocked themselves out of the race.
     

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