This Board Needs to Lighten Up

There's a couple major issues going on this year:

Vick - A very polarizing issue.
Idzik - Cleared all this cap space on ineffective players for what? He wants to build through the draft and that's fine. I don't want over-priced free agents. Based on Over The Cap, we have ~$26.5m to spend this year. A bunch of drafted rookies don't cost that much. We could have signed at least one more big FA and considering we have glaring needs (WR, TE, CB), there's no reason we shouldn't have.

Very polarizing stuff.

 

Good post, and well-timed. People just need to take a step back and see how this plays out. I get the "we haven't won shit in forever how can I not freak out??" attitude, but even if we had traded for Peyton Manning and Megatron in March we still can't win a damn thing in April.

They'll be a time and a place to freak out if Idzik is warranting it, but now is not that time. I, for one, am going to reserve judgement on this regime until we get to what they are judging themselves on - the draft. Idzik has his scout team in place for the first time, it's considered a draft where starters exist for four rounds, and we have 12 picks (we had 13 in '08, '09, and '10 combined).

Anything that gets said between now and then will be forgotten in May, and we ended the season on the upswing, which is more than I can say for the last few years. I know things will always be heated around here, for one reason or another, but there's no point in ripping each other apart all off-season. Save that shit for the Pats fans!

 

Very true.
It's tough to see a wide receiver the caliber of a DJax out there, especially since we have such a glaring need at that position, and you don't aggressively go after him.
I realize all the baggage that may come along with a player like that, but this team has serious needs and a game changer like that would have put this offense over the top.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

There will always be fighting we are Jets fans

 

A lot of posters have pointed out and I agree, teams on the cusp like the Pats or Denver are better suited to bring in one or two high priced FA for a year, forgoing team development, even if said FA is in the sunset of his career. For them, it can make sense.

Winning the SB is really really hard, so when your team is really really close it's OK to sell out for the best shot possible. Like the Jets/Favre (which might have worked had he not torn his bicep).

But what about teams that are seriously depleted and light years from 'the cusp'?

It's important to build a team you can afford to KEEP at the cusp for 3-5 years. And that generally only happens with home grown A+ talent you can afford to hold onto for a few extra seasons.

Well, we know Tanny's approach didn't work in the end, let's see how a different approach works out.

 

I like Idzik but all of you have every right to criticize him. It's a legitimate opinion. But the name calling (against another poster who doesn't agree with you) is idiotic and reminds me of road rage. I came here to have fun not be cursed at. Isn't that what the Jets are supposed to be all about. I really try to ignore these guys and not defend myself if they are stupid. They expose themselves by what they say and how they say it. Of course just because we have one thing in common: love of the Jets. Doesn't mean we have to like one another. This board allows cursing while others don't. And while it gives you a chance to express yourself on the other hand it gives some of these guys the opportunity to show off and insult everyone. Love to get rid of them. But overall most of the posters here are cool.

 

I find it hard that fellow fans can't respect each others' opinions. I understand frustrations on both sides but to call out each other in a personal attack?

At the end of the day it's only a game and life goes on. Hopefully we all have our beautiful families to fall back on. Stop taking this S#IT so personal.

One of my favorite points from a poster on another Jet board.: "No one is beyond criticism with our club. No one. Every single person is subject to cheers and jeers"

Have a great day Jet fans and lets go J E T S.

 

The number one issue and debate was on Mark Sanchez and now he's gone. There's others like Rex and the Jets FA strategy. Some guys want the Jets to sign big ticket players others don't. But I have no sympathy for the idiots. Have a little civility. I'm sure in their own life they're the same way.

 

Yep,its a major problem in my eyes.If you have the chance to improve the team then you do it .I get that this is suppose to be the deepest draft in 100 years and what not but why not sign a real cb and another wr when we had the chance.It literally makes zero sense and I'm getting the feeling Idzik thinks he is outsmarting the league when in reality he's only outsmarting himself

 

There are several ways in which the posters here are of different opinions, but I think this post from Milo speaks to one that is fundamental to the issue complained about by the OP.

This is the off season. I think we all acknowledge that the overall judgment on how management handled the transition from last year's team to next year's, setting it up and whether on opening day they did what they could to field the best team possible, or if not how they fell short, obviously requires taking into account all moves made. Since we are closer to the end of last season than opening day, and the draft, camp, possible signings of other team's camp cuts, sorting out the depth chart, even possible trades, are or possibly are ahead of us, then we can't make a complete, overall assessment as of now.

Of course that is true.

But does that mean nothing can be said about how the process is unfolding? Or more to the OP's point, as well as Milo's, that nothing SHOULD be said until the off season winds up?

Of course not.

Now, Milo may say that he didn't mean to argue that nothing should be said. He may even mean that. As does the OP. But this I think is the heart of the issue.

If any poster here analyzes a particular move, or more likely non-move, is that analysis submitted here as an overall judgment of the way management has handled the entire off season?

Obviously not, standing alone. I would think it obvious, should be obvious, that unless that same poster says exactly that, that his analysis of a particular move is a basis for an overall judgment of the FO, then it is not.

I for one acknowledge it is theoretically possible that off season moves still to be made can end up making this an above average off season. Last year I was opposed to the Revis trade, which made me part of the minority here. I thought the Jets should have tried to get a vet Qb, preferably a young one like Foles, or trade for someone like Orton, perhaps even at least make a stab to get Cutler, cut Sanchez, and the FO did none of that. Still, I liked the Ivory pickup, and said so. Since that came later, we can see that lsat year the FO made a number of moves later in the off season that helped. Even after the draft.

But should I not bother posting here, not bother thinking about the process as it unfolds, because I don't know what has not yet occurred?

In fact some regular season frequent posters more or less do not post here during the off season. Maybe they folllow the NBA, MLB, golf or something else during the off season. That's fine. I enjoy following the off season, and have my opinions about it. So I post here.

Does that mean I have reached some overall conclusion about the way the FO has handled this off season? No, and I never said I did.

Have some others? I have frankly not noticed, at least here.

So in the end I think Milo and the OP have in effect set up a straw man to attack those who do not share their optmistic pov.

Having said that, I tend to agree that name calling is unfortunate. But just yesterday someone called me names, and I felt it my right to counter that. It happens.

 

First of all I was mostly referring to Milo's post, and in particular the parts I bolded. His post DOES raise an issue beyond personal attacks.

As in fact did your OP's second paragraph.

Once you and Milo go beyond complaining about personal attacks to question those who question the FO, I think my comment is completely fair.

 

There is a reason we shouldn't have, other teams drove the "big FA" prices out there above their value to this team. People really don't understand the cap on this site and its numerous implications. People only allow themselves to be "polarized" because they are too lazy to learn.

 

How in hell can u even think about starting a thread like this? Yes I saw where you blame yourself. But it seems when somebody disagrees with you. Your so quick to call names and make fun of people. Before you start a thread like this make sure your no longer one of these people your talking about.

 

I would disagree with your initial premise that "Everyone fighting, calling names, arguing on and on for pages and pages.". Although a half a dozen of you have certainly made your presence known, the majority here have been very pleasant and informative.

nyjunc, for all his delusions about Mark provides stats to back his arguments. He has been ribbed more than anyone here for his beliefs, but I don't recall him ever getting nasty with anyone.

Br4dw4y5ux and Big Blocker seem to be at odds often, but they both issue convincing well written arguments for their position. I find myself agreeing with both of them, even though their opinions are 180 degrees apart.

I usually read everyone's opinions, but when I see "You don't know anything about... " comment, I stop reading.

 

Ftr I don't always disagree with Brad by any means. I think he's aware when he posts a long post with many points in it, I don't always say I agree with nine of your ten points. Instead I talk about where we disagree, and every so often say I agree with the rest. He sometimes is really out there, though, but on the whole I think he's one of the better posters here. Definitely.

We tend to disagree on two areas. One is we have different opinions about the value and importance of the cornerback position, in my case particularly in Rex Ryan's defense. The other is every other issue.

Just kidding!

 

Glad we stopped slinging insults...

There are no long term cap ramifications to spending this years money on a one year deal, there were several very good players in a positions of need for us, who signed one year deals. Spending another 6-8 mil. of this years money will not effect our resigning any current players to longer deals, or prevent us from signing new players in the months to come.
I understand there may not have been anyone who the FO liked or thought would be a good fit. I don't really have an issue with the FO, my issue is mostly the notion that we shouldn't spend the money for some reason only a few here appear to know about.
If the FO assigned a value of 7 mil. to DJack (as an example) and he wants 8 mil. I would much rather "overpay" him 1mil. for the performance we would get out of him, rather than give 1mil. to a Gates (another example) who has no real value. The 1mil. is the same, the value is worlds apart.