Here is another post that went along with the last. ->That's not true. First of all not every move is made to directly make the team better, some are made to get better leverage, and some are made to ensure the team is not put in a bad position. Making comparisons like Revis to Milliner are not good comparisons. Idzik traded Revis to avoid becoming strangled by his contract. Milliner is a talented CB who had some rookie struggles. We got a 1st round pick who developed into the DROY out of the trade as well. Cromartie to Walls may not be a downgrade at all, considering Walls is young with upside and Cro is old and struggling with injury. You can't compare Cro coming off a great season with Cro coming off a bottom CB in the league season, it is just nonsensical. Harrison and Richardson are good players, better than Coples starting at end and Ellis as NT, Wilk is better than last year too so our entire D-Line has been improved. Our WR corp has been improved since then, it is obvious that a top 3 of Decker, an improved Kerley, and Nelson is better than Holmes coming off injury, Stephen Hill, and Kerley. Your whole argument is twisted and backwards, and it's like you're cherry picking unrelated stats to back up a pre-conceived notion that the Jets haven't done enough in FA this year. He did replace Landry, with Landry. Less athletic maybe, but we have another year of him under contract.
I can not believe this is still going on from this morning, not possible to have a discussion with anyone sold on the idzik way. It's insanity.
And one more with that. ->Don't blow a gasket man, can anyone tell me how this team has gotten worse this offseason? What roster loss this offseason is going to seriously, negatively effect the team we have? People say we don't have Cro but regardless of what you expect him to do next year, he graded out as one of the worst CB's in the league last year therefore we shouldn't see a major decline at CB. So compared to last year, we really haven't lost anyone major. Idzik isn't randomly assuming 5-7th round pics will be starting this year, in terms of true roster holes we don't actually have any except arguably CB (I still think we bring back Cro, and get Ed Reed on a 1-2 year deal). If we haven't downgraded at any position, and improved at WR (our worst corp by far last year) I just don't understand how we have gotten worse. We now go into the draft with a starter penciled in at every position, leaving us free to take BPA down the line again. If unlike last year just our first two picks become starters, that means they've won the position battle and have now improved our team at two positions. By signing just a couple more low cost guys, and maybe Michael Vick, I think we will be good to go for the draft. On a side note, Idzik's strategy is interesting because assume after all is said and done he actually ends up with like $25-30 million over the cap going into 2014. That means we will have the cushion of cap space we already would have had going into 2015 as the direct result of having a roster without many big contract players. It also means the $30 million will roll over into into 2015 as well, as far as I understand. So in 2015 we would have around $60 million. Theoretically, if we spend $30 million again, the $30 million remaining will roll into 2016. You have to consider the bigger deals we will be handing out to our home grown guys in the next couple years, but we will also be finishing up with Mangold and D'Brick and Harris, so how nice would it be to just have the flexibility of $50-60 million in cap space every year? The trick is you can't spend all of it in any one season, because otherwise you have no roll-over and will put yourself in the red. So what it really does is give you wiggle room both in the offseason and regular season to get exactly the guys you want, for instance yes you might do bargain moves most of the time but when that guy becomes available that Idzik really believes will be a difference maker, he can strike. Leverage is always the best thing to have as an NFL GM.
In this post, which was from earlier today, I addressed what you said about O-Line. We don't have to draft a starter at any offensive line position but if we do it means one of them is upgraded. With 12 picks, as I said in another post, we can draft successors to our agin O-line but they will have time to develop, they don't have to be starters year one. ->Alrighty then.... 1. You don't need an upgrade at OL. You need successors for D'Brick, Mangold, and Colon, not all necessarily in this draft. Winters will improve with more competition and how about an offseason with the pros? 2. Comparing the talent evaluation of two totally different front offices is meaningless. Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse were considered projects, the second round WRs this year are not. Most are considered pro-ready. 3. First off, Milliner was considered a can't miss guy, a top 5 player who we snagged with the 9 overall, so he is bound to be much better than Wilson, taken at the tail end of the 2010 draft when the best CBs were off the board. Wilson is more than an adequate nickel, he is one of the best nickel CBs in the league and we use him on a lot of snaps, enough that I'd consider him a starter. 4. The last time the Packers took an OLB in round 1 they picked Nick Perry. The last time before that they picked Clay Matthews. The Jets took Anthony Becht in the first round. Then, they took Dustin Keller in the first round. You know what? None of that matters. If you think an organization is going to be scared to take a WR in round 2 because of a mistake made by a former front office you need a reality check.
In this post, again from today, I explain why it is better for the Jets to go into the draft as they are instead of spending cap space on FA who will not get us to a SB, let alone help us compete for one for 10 years after that. ->Ok, here we go again. First of all, it's not about screwing up "some big plan" two or three years from now. The front office is aware, as every Jets fan should be, that 2014 (maybe 15, maybe) is not their best chance at winning a SB. We are an improving team but we still are short on talent. The best way to stockpile talent when you have a proven talent evaluator is through the draft, because it is the cheapest and most malleable. FAs often are overvalued for a number of reasons, they have agents negotiate like madmen for them, and most know they are going into a contract year so you are going to see the best play out of them BEFORE they sign their new contract. Drafted players are constantly trying to establish themselves as successful NFL players, and guys who are on short term deals are always close to needing a new contract. Add in that if you sign a player to a large contract, you are obligated to play them with everything tied up in them, and there is no threat to their job security. When you have competition for playing time between your players, you bring out the best in them. Very few players will get a halfway decent contract from the bench. For these reasons, you want to build throughout the draft. Franchises have all of the leverage over drafted players, but not nearly as much over FA signees. What you have to understand is the Jets don't have any "holes," they have stronger corps and weaker corps. When you think of it that way, every draft pick strengthens the corp to which he belongs at least a little bit. With 12 picks, but only 8 main corps, there's no reason we can't add something to each corp and then some. If a 6th or 7th traded away allows us to move a little and get a guy we really like, so be it. Some talent is not going to be nearly as sure-fire or productive as a particular FA would be. You among many other people say this is the case with DeSean Jackson. I agree with that, but you shouldn't commit to long term deals with high priced players who will be passing their prime just as you are finally a SB contender. That is why the real contenders made the moves when they did: Seahawks trading for Harvin, The 49ers having interest in Jackson, the Broncos signing Wleker last year and Sanders this year, the Patriots signing Revis and Browner. These are all win now moves, and the Jets are not able to win now even with the addition of Jackson. No Brandin Cooks will probably not receive for 1400 yards in 2014, but lets be real, neither would DeSean Jackson if he came to the Jets. Don't you see, if the Jets signed Jackson, they'd have two guaranteed starters, and any drafted WR would have next to no playing time the next few years. No rookie would have the impact Jackson would have in 2014, but they might in 2015, 2016, and 2017, heck maybe even more productive that Jackson by then and way cheaper. Why sign Jackson and totally offset every bit of value we could get out of the deepest WR class in years?
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You also haven't answered my question as to whether you've done any research on the players in the draft.
Don't forget that we traded a 4th round pick mid-draft for Chris Ivory, a player you yourself have said you really like. Would you really be so mad if Idzik waited until day 3 of the draft, so that he would know what kind of value was still on the board, and pulled the trigger on a mid round pick for a player like Ivory?
LMAO! I stopped reading when Maximus said Idzik went pure BPA in last year's draft. He picked Milliner to replace Revis. Only an idiot would have used the ninth pick in the draft if he already had Revis and Cromartie on the team. If that error is indicative of the homeristic pap that was to follow, I have better things to do than read it.
LMAO! I stopped reading when Maximus said Idzik went pure BPA in last year's draft. He picked Milliner to replace Revis. Only an idiot would have used the ninth pick in the draft on Cb if he already had Revis and Cromartie on the team. If that error is indicative of the homeristic pap that was to follow, I have better things to do than read it.
He did go BPA and he said that numerous times. Milliner was ranked the best corner in the draft and was among the best players available on the Jets board. Just as there are a couple corners in this draft that are looked at being drafted in the top 15. Just because Milliner was not the BPA on your board doesn't mean he wasn't on the Jets board. He and Sheldon Richardson were both on their board as bpa. Geno Smith fell into their lap in the second round. Yes I agree with you that need was involved in that pick, and it was, but Milliner was on their board no matter what. Would he have taken him 9 if he had Revis still? Probably not. But he didn't have Revis and Milliner was on the BPA board, so he took him.
I don't rely on someone's assertion of the motivation for an action as the sole basis for judging that motivation. I can make my own judgment. It is my decided opinion that if Revis was still on the team, it would have been pure idiocy to pick Milliner at the ninth pick. I go beyond that to also think that there was a connection between the Jets' decisions about their draft board and the fact that Revis was traded, leaving a gaping hole at Cb. Your post in any event is contradictory, since you at one point say it was BPA to get Milliner, while also saying it was based on need. And that if there was no need (if Revis was still on the team), they would not have picked Milliner. Which is what I said in the first place.
A bpa board, which I referred to numerous times, has multiple players on it. I don't know the order, but I do know Milliner was on that board. The fact that Revis was gone helped push Milliner higher on that board, thus resulting a ninth pick overall. If Revis was still here, Milliner may have been a later round pick on the Jets board. In either instance, he was a bpa on their board. Milliner was a bpa on a lot of teams boards. He was rated the best corner in the draft.
See, you've embarrassed yourself again sir. Revis was traded before the draft, and Idzik did not know what players would be available at #9 and #13. I've watched the tape on Milliner, and there was a reason he was considered a top 3 pick. The Dolphins and Rams traded up to target guys, allowing Milliner to drop farther than expected. Who would have been BPA at #9 other than Milliner? And at #13? The fact that you're too scared to read my posts just owns you even harder, because my first two posts explainEXACTLY why I'm not a homer.
If Revis was still on the team Idzik would have traded back with someone. You don't know what you are talking about. Read my posts, unless you're scared you'll be proven to be an ignorant whiner.
LMAO! You don't own anything. I said if Revis was still on the team the Jets would not have picked Milliner at #9. How did I embarrass myself? You're name calling is getting out of hand.
My only comment here, since in effect you are agreeing with me, is about Milliner being a later round pick. If he was such a great pick at #9, then presumably some other team would have gotten him well before he fell to a later round, no? I just want to be clear here.
