I remember that well. That is the kind of pick you need to be willing to pull the trigger on in the mid-to-late rounds.
Yep Coles was the scapegoat while golden boy Heisman hopeful Warrick got a slap on the wrist and flopped in the pros
I'm not saying they've done a GREAT job over the years. But it has not been as horrible as many may be willing to believe The issue with the Jets lately has been that they simply have not had any of these late round picks to even just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. They have that this year and it's exciting. Another issue is the Jets haven't had even decent play at QB since Pennington got bit by the injury bug. A great QB makes your entire front office look like geniuses but finding a great QB involves a lot of luck. Take Colston for example. The FO looks like geniuses and that they stole him but he does so because he plays with Brees. Why ahsn't he gotten elite money if he's so much better than the those guys the Jets drafted? The teams that have built consistent contenders without top flight QB's have done so by resisting spending big on free agency and have been stockpiling picks to find steals in the late rounds. And yet people on this board go nuts when the Jets don't want to vastly overpay for guys likes Vontae Davis and Desean Jackson. You may not be in this camp but this kind of post seems like so many posts I've seen over this FA period. Essentially, look at what this other team is doing they're going to be great for year why aren't the Jets doing the same exact thing!? It's not that simple.
I don't want the Jets to overpay for Desean Jackson. Actually, I don't even want him on the team. I want to find a playmaking WR in this draft. The reason Colston hasn't gotten "elite money" is because he's not elite. But he's still better than the guys on that list. He was Brees' #1 target until Jimmy Graham's 2nd year, a consistent 1000-yard, 8 TD WR who works hard, makes tough catches all over the field, plays through injuries and doesn't complain. From a locker-room and team chemistry standpoint, he is the opposite of a me-first guy like Desean Jackson. And in the 7th round you cannot hope to come away with a bigger steal. Personally, I would rather swing and miss on a guy like Colston than draft a bunch of Tommy Bohannons, Scotty McKnights, and Greg McElroys. (If you drafted the latter two as "able bodies," you also swung and missed, with the only difference being there was never any upside.) In the 4th round, I would rather take a shot at a potential game breaking talent with injury concerns like Marcus Lattimore than draft a guy like Bilal Powell. (And before you bash me on Powell, I don't hate him.) If you disagree that's fine with me. By the way, if you're judging who is elite by who gets "elite money," that means you think Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings are elite WRs.
I don't know, but it sounds to me like you didn't pay attention in 5th grade Reading Comprehension (a common observation on this board). You keep on quoting the "able bodied" term I use in my original post, but you have no clue as to the context I used it. Sorry for the confusion, but the idea of my post was that yes, it is great to have all these late round picks, because it increases the low odds that we will strike gold and get an impact player. What I said was that with those 9 Day 3 picks, if you got a couple of contributors, and 1-2 able bodied fill ins then you did well. Take a look at who got drafted in the 6th and 7th round the last 10 years. There ain't much there, its a fact not even to be argued with. Most of those guys are completely out of football within 2-3 years lol. I'm sorry, I don't know what your delusional expectation of a 6th or 7th round draft pick is, but if your a guy who is an able bodied fill in for a few years (not an insulting phrase), then you did pretty damn well. The list I composed just showed that the Jets have done a "decent" job in their recent history by finding late round "contributors". All of the guys I listed were solid contributors (of varying degree) based on where they were drafted, in rounds 4-7. I guarantee you, you won't remember 80-90 percent of the guys drafted in rounds 4-7 just 3 years ago. Obviously it is nice to get a pro bowl player on day 3 of the draft but it is such a rare exception. Don't fool yourself.
I an not delusional and my reading skills are just fine. It's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, my friend, as far as the "5th grade reading comprehension" barb, don't you think? Nowhere in my post did I write or suggest that I "expect" to land a "pro bowler" in the 7th round. Nowhere did I attempt to refute the idea that you (obviously) can't expect anywhere close to every player you draft in the later rounds to make your team. Nor did I write or aim to suggest that the talent pool of any draft class is so deep that you can always find more than marginal prospects in the late rounds. My main point was that in the 4th round (and in some cases the 3rd) I am looking for upside, at least when the opportunities present themselves. Yet you are too busy defending your own lame (or otherwise obvious) arguments to pay attention to (and specifically address in your retort) what has been written by others. And your list of "solid contributors" and "able bodies" over the last 15 or so years is still a joke.
I an not delusional and my reading skills are just fine. It's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, my friend, as far as the "5th grade reading comprehension" barb, don't you think? Nowhere in my post did I write or suggest that I "expect" to land a "pro bowler" in the 7th round. Nowhere did I attempt to refute the idea that you (obviously) can't expect anywhere close to every player you draft in the later rounds to make your team. Nor did I write or aim to suggest that the talent pool of any draft class is so deep that you can always find more than marginal prospects in the late rounds. My main point was that in the 4th round (and in some cases the 3rd) I am looking for upside, at least when the opportunities present themselves. Yet you are too busy defending your own lame (or otherwise obvious) arguments to pay attention to (and specifically address in your retort) what has been written by others. And your list of "solid contributors" and "able bodies" over the last 15 or so years is still a joke.
Np. I get over zealous at times making my points. Sorry for, admittedly, taking your "able-bodied" reference out of context and for sorr of taking things too far. In my initial post, I wasn't really disagreeing with you so much as using your quote as a launching point for related ideas on the draft. It wasn't meant as a personal attack either. After all, you're not the one who presided over all the disappointing drafts over the years.
I'm glad we got the 4 comp picks, obviously. But something has to change with the formula. The Ravens' haul is insane. This system would seem to favor SB Champs -- who frankly, don't need or deserve the help -- since their FAs will tend to get overpaid right after a successful Championship run (Larry Brown to the Raiders, Dexter Jackson to wherever he went after he was named MVP in the Bucs' SB win). Not to mention the fact that it doesn't matter whether Ozzie Newsome had any intention of re-signing the guys he "lost" or not. (the 3rd rounder was for Paul Kruger?) Meanwhile, a team that desperately needs help like the Raiders got no comp picks this year and will likely get none next year because while they lost good players in Veldheer and Houston, they happened to sign more than 2 players in FA. And the reason they needed to add more FAs in the first place is because they were bad and desperately lacking in talent the year before. The Ravens and Jets were each awarded four 2014 compensatory draft picks at the league meetings in Orlando. Compensatory picks began in 1996 as a means of "compensating" clubs for free-agent losses. Ozzie Newsome's Ravens have been awarded more picks (41) than any team in football, and this year tied the Jets for the most comp picks. Baltimore picked up an additional third-rounder, two fourth-rounders, and a fifth-rounder in exchange for "losing" Paul Kruger, Dannell Ellerbe, Cary Williams, and Ed Reed in 2013 free agency. Put simply, that is robbery by Newsome.
I wonder if it's easier to find a diamond in the rough from a small school that was mostly overlooked. The first two days of the draft are filled by the big Div 1 power house programs while players like Chrebet are usually never even scouted and have to ask their HS coach to make a DVD to send out to the teams. For the later rounds, I like Idzik to find some real talented kids from smaller programs but can explode onto the scene versus a widely known talent from a big school who's stock dropped due to off field issues, personality, or injuries.
Sometimes you get Damon Harrison from a small school - but usually the most promising guys go to the bigger name programs. Sometimes when someone is too good for the division, they never develop their technique and end up too raw. Ducasse is huge, and is capable of swift, fluid motion you'd never expect from a man of his huge size. But he never had to bother with technique because he was basically half a foot taller and 75 pounds heavier than the D-linemen he faced. If he'd gone to a bigger school he's have had to learn, and if he couldn't hack it at that level we'd have known not to bother. The smaller school guys can be great, but they may be too raw sometimes.
There are a few prospects from FCS schools that could go in the draft, the Jets have met with Garappolo already. Terrance West, Pierre Desir, Tyler Starr, Billy Turner, Joe Don Duncan are others that could go, some in the early rounds.
If you like good comp picks then choose wisely among your expiring rookie deals and let some of the higher picks go if they haven't turned out exactly as you expected. Let some other team see gold in the stream and sign them to a 4 or 5 year deal. Profit with a 3rd round pick. A guy this might work with next year : Kyle Wilson Well, if the Raiders would just stop signing free agents they'd get comp picks and could start building the right way. You're absolutely right about the Ravens. There should be an exception to the comp picks rule that says that no top 4 team should be able to get a comp pick. That would make sense if the point of comp picks is to help level the field.
Good point. Ducasse was a 2nd round pick out of UMass in the 2010 draft (when Tannenbaum traded away the store and ended up with 4 measly picks), and while the Jets were scouting King Ugly, a guy playing along the same line of scrimmage with him apparently didn't catch their 'eyes for talent': 2010 UDFA Victor Cruz. : (
I like our 4 compensatory picks. Idzik, letting go of last year's our FAs, without wanting to overpay them, accumulated 4 comp picks. Huge bonus. Like the Ravens, Idzik, will not overpay our FAs as well, and when they land huge contracts elsewhere, he is content to have comp picks following year. This gives more ammunition for our team.
Here are the picks: Round 1 (18) -- Round 2 (49) -- Round 3 (80) -- Round 4 (104) -- Round 4 (115) -- Round 4 (137) -- Round 5 (154) -- Round 6 (195) -- Round 6 (209) -- Round 6 (210) -- Round 6 (213) -- Round 7 (233) -- I think we go BPA at 18 if all the marquee WR's are off the board.
