I am ordering if anyone knows enough about college football to be able to discuss the QB prospects for next year. We've been discussing Idzik's approach to FAgency, signing Vick, whether Geno is "the man", and so on. However, it occurs to me that the potential starters coming down the pike may be a major reason why Idzik is taking the route he is. If there are some more coveted prospects next year, then this year is a good one to try to bring Geno along and see what he has. He won't be a rookie, he will have a mentor now, and he will have worked in the same system for two years. If he implodes then I think the Jets cut their losses after 2014 and draft another QB. Problem is that I know zero about college football, so my theory is, well, based on nothing more than a hunch. So does anyone know college ball enough to discuss? Thanks. EDIT: I guess I should add that I am assuming that Idzik either doesn't like what he sees in this QB class or he doesn't want to invest another pick in a QB without determine what he has in Geno. Even with everything I've said, if one of the top prospects really fell, like into the late second or even third round, I hope we take a gamble.
Thanks for moving the thread! I've heard both of those names: Winston and Mariotta. They're supposedly both highly thought of, no? Is there any chance that they won't declare in 2015? Or is this their last year no matter what? More importantly, how good are they compared to this draft class?
Marcus Mariota - Going to be a stud! Jameis Winston - Cam Newton 2.0 Brett Hundley - Big arm big potential.
Mariota has a lot of ability but is still raw Winston doesn't have enough tape yet for me to evaluate and he was less than overwhelming in the BCS game and Hundley hasn't proven anything. Let's wait a bit before we start anointing these guys shall we?
All these juniors and sophomores coming out is a bad trend. It'll keep happening because the money is too much to say no too even under the rookie scale but it's going to create an even riskier situation at the top of the draft for the teams who buy in.
I think Bryce Petty will slip to late 1st. I also think that despite having only a year of tape so far, he is the real deal and is a franchise QB in the making.
Yawn! This time last year everyone said 2014 would be so much better than 2013, now people are saying that none are 1st rounders (not my opinion) and Phil Simms said Geno would be the #1 QB this year. Way too early to tell who will be taken and when they will be taken.
Bridgewater and Manziel are clearly 1st rounders. I don't see another 1st round QB this year and I think in a lot of years Manziel would slip to the top of the 2nd. We'll probably have 4 guys go in the 1st though.
I don't disagree. I am asking, however, to gauge how big of a risk it is not selecting a QB this year. For example, the year Pennington came out there were very few QBs that seemed to be starter worthy. If that was the case for next year, then I'd say not selecting someone this year is a major risk. And yet, I don't see how we invest another high pick in a QB with Geno and Vick already on board. OTOH, if the next QB class is as good or better than this one than waiting is a double win. We will get to really see what we have in Geno and act accordingly. If he is a star we don't need a QB and if he isn't we move on and get a replacement. All of that said, as someone above mentioned, it is difficult to truly measure the 2015 draft class. I recall this class of QBs being called the second coming of '83 but I don't think anyone is saying that right now. I'm wondering if 2015 even has the POTENTIAL is have some studs. It sounds like there are some plausible options assuming their value doesn't change markedly. Do you really think that is a good idea? We have so many holes. What if Geno is the answer? if we did draft a QB this year I can't help but seeing a disaster looming. Either we kill Geno's confidence AND trade value or we motivate him to greatness, in which case we have a high draft pick wasted on a backup and a lot of money wasted on another backup. Nt good IMHO. As I said above, I can't argue against you. I don't want to anoint anyone per se, but I am interested what the potential is for next year. Some of the recent draft classes for QB have been pretty poor and I think everyone longs for another '83, which was a fluke that may never be repeated. What is clear is everyone wants a good QB and good QB play, but there aren't enough to go around.
It would certainly appear that the QB position is not being hotly debated in the Jets front office at this point. I cannot imagine the events of the past few days taking place (Sanchez release and Vick signing) if any thought of drafting a QB in 2014 was there. So, it makes sense to look to what might be in 2015 as this thread is doing. The thing about that is that the QB rankings don't always hold true to form a year in advance. Some do, like Andrew Luck for example, but others fade or roar into the limelight (Matt Barkley, RGIII, Cam Newton). Right now, Marcus Mariota looks like he could be the real deal. Jameis Winston has a great arm and enough athleticism to be a worry for the defense if he is forced out of the pocket. Hundley looks to have great potential yet unrealized and Bryce Petty could also be a 1st round talent. If the Jets are thinking about a franchise-type QB in the 2015 draft, then obviously they are hedging their bets on Geno Smith. Even if they are expecting Vick to win the position, he can't have more than a couple more years in the tank. They would also need to be prepared to move up in the draft order in case this season is a mirror of last and the team finishes around the .500 mark again, thus in the middle of the pack in draft order. A franchise QB is likely to be long gone by the 2nd half of the first round, even if there are 3 or so that fit that description. It wouldn't surprise me if the Jets make a move on draft day, or in the days preceding it, to move down or out of one of their 2014 picks in order to secure a (potentially) higher 1st round pick in 2015, or even to have 2 picks in next year's 1st round.
Welcome to the Board, Bama. It's always a pleasure to meet another southern Jets fan. I started rooting for the Jets in '64 because of Joe Willie Namath. I disagree with your interpretation. IMO if the Jets had serious doubts about Smith and were thinking about finding a franchise QB in, they wouldn't have brought Vick in. If Vick starts, the Jets could win more games than with Geno starting and hurt their draft position even more, and cost them a lot more in a trade up next season. IMO if that were the case, the Jets would have just announced that they had confidence in Geno and were going with him. In that way, they would have put forward the notion that they were trying to have faith in their young QB and committed to developing him, while using some subterfuge to hurt their record (tank a bit) and be in better position to draft that QB in 2015. In that scenario, they would have either kept Sanchez or brought in one of jag FA QBs. That approach would be a win-win. If Geno failed, they'd be in great position to draft a franchise QB in the 2015 draft, and if he developed and played very well, then they'd have no need to look for a QB. Bringing in Vick, and likely starting him, doesn't give them the answers they need about Geno (unless they've already made up their minds), and doesn't set them up draft position-wise to get a franchise QB in 2015. If you're right, and that is their thinking, then I'm already turning against Idzik, because imo that's not the best way to accomplish their goal. It already seems like Idzik and Woody may not be on the same page and trouble may be ahead. Idzik has been all about patience and building through the draft, and how Woody is gushing about DJax and not being patient any more and winning now.
You may be spot on, NC. I don't know enough about Idzik to predict what he's thinking, but the outcome of this QB decision may tell us a lot. It just seems to me that we've seen this all before. Vick signed with the Eagles right out of the pen and was as docile as a lamb, appearing humble and content to carry a clipboard for Andy Reid and be there just in case Donovan McNabb got hurt. That turned into a full-blown controversy pretty quickly and most everyone saw it coming. I just find it difficult to believe that you sign Mike Vick with the belief that he is going to ride the bench all season, nor do you sign him at this stage of his career as a building block for the future. If I'm going to consider signing Vick, the first question I ask myself is do I need a starting QB right now, and the second question is can Mike Vick step in and run my offense. If I answer both questions in the affirmative and Vick's price is in budget, then I sign him and I let everyone know right up front that if you are a QB on this team not named Mike Vick, you are Vick's back-up. Once you've done that you immediately start looking at future drafts and planning for your next QB because the window on Vick is going to close in about 2 years more than likely. At that point Vick could be a reasonably-price backup for someone at age 35 and give you an option to hold a season together if your starter goes down and misses a game or two. If that sounds like an endorsement of Vick as a Jet, it is far from it. I wouldn't invite that kind of controversy into my locker room. I think Vick has been polarizing everywhere he has been, and I think QB's need to be unifiers both on and off the field.
I personally don't understand this Vick signing either. I really don't think he's coming in to ride the bench. He's coming in to start - Compare his stat with Geno's stats last year. The writing is on the wall. Seriously - do you pay 5M to a backup QB? In this league? Who does that? And to make the matter worse - it's 1 year deal. Do you expect him to stay for one year then leave? Ok - 5M is not at starting QB money, but that's not a backup QB money either. Maybe they didn't want any part of Sanchez any more - that aside, though, how about this kid Geno? If the plan was to make him sit, that should have been done [and could have been done] last year. Just what the fuck.
I could also be totally off base! lol I don't know about Idzik, either. I agree that the outcome of the QB decision may tell us a lot. We're in agreement that Vick was signed with the probable idea that he would start. The odd thing is, they haven't anointed him the starter, but rather said he would have to compete. Since they only signed him to a one-year deal, I wouldn't think they'd be planning on his starting for two years, however. Since they have already gone through struggles last season with a rookie QB starting, I can't see their starting Vick this year, then drafting another QB next year, having him start, and possibly going through the whole struggle thing as well. Woody's announcement makes it even more confusing. Based on the facts that we have at present, my best guess is that they're gonna let Geno and Vick compete, and don't care who wins. If Geno wins the competion and plays well, great. If he wins the competion, but then stumbles in the season, they have Vick. If Vick wins, that's great too and Geno can focus on his fundamentals. I don't think they're counting on Simms long term. I think that if they have any doubts about Geno at all, and they get the opportunity in the upcoming draft, they will take a QB somewhere from the 2nd round onward. That way, they will have a year to determine if they think HE can be their franchise QB, and if so, he has a year to sit, adjust to the NFL, learn the offense and develop, and be ready to either take the reins next season or compete with Geno to be the starter. IMO, that scenario makes the most sense. It takes proactive steps to try to insure that they won't have to scramble for a starting QB next season, and even gives them further insurance for this season should Vick or Geno go down with a serious injury. I think Vick would like to keep playing for another 5 years, but I doubt other NFL teams will want him. Even though he's been a much better QB overall since he got out of prison, he's also less healthy, more injury prone, and his skills have started deteriorating. His TO totals aren't that much better than Geno's, either. I didn't want Vick, either. We are in total agreement on that and your statements regarding him and the QB position.
Exactly, my friend. In typical Jets fashion, just when it looks like they've finally turned the corner and have a chance to put things together, the idiot owner makes a dumb move. If he keeps it up, Idzik may quit, and I wouldn't blame him. If Woody screws this up during the next year or two. I'm done until he sells the team or dies. I've seen enough.
A lot of the Texas sports people are talking about Bortels being the Texans target. Where there's that much smoke there's either a fire or deception going on by the club.
