I'd offer him a job as a Gatorade filler or towel boy. I figure he gets signed for 1 year, $30k, with a $200 signing bonus. I'm afraid I couldn't go higher.
Fans of other teams don't take us even a little bit seriously zero respect for the Jets,I don't know about you but I want the rest of the world to respect us and take us serious
Who cares if the rest of the NFL world respects us and takes us seriously.. All that matters is winning games.
Personally I would prefer to build a team through smart and successful drafting. We have tried the "piecemeal teams together through free agency" method, for as long as I can really remember. For the most part. I am all about giving Idzik some time and seeing how the draft goes. The defense has a lot of promise. The offensive line is in pretty good shape I'd say so far. We have running backs and a new WR. The QB has definite potential if handled right. I'd really like to see what our draft looks like.
I personally don't want Vick anywhere near the team. I don't know how he would help Smith. I feel like Smith should want to excel and be better without someone fighting for his job. He should be fighting for his own job. I just think Vick is a circus waiting to happen.
And who would Geno be fighting against to keep that job? Matt Simms? Every athlete performs to optimum performance when there is fear of losing the starting position. It's not just athletic, but it is human nature. When you have no viable back up to potentially take your job, you sometimes become lazy or slow down knowing there is no one behind you to snag it from you. That's where Michael Vick comes in. A guy who is familiar with the league and with Marty. A guy who can flat out ball when healthy. A guy who will steal Geno's job if Geno let's him. That's called competition. Something Idzik has said numerous times that he wants on this team. Give me a break with the circus shit. I still have yet to see someone answer why it would be a circus here but was never a circus in Philly? He was fighting with a rookie qb in Nick Foles and lost the starting job after an injury. He sat behind Foles without making a peep and helped him progress. He was so good at it that the Eagles players wanted him to stay on board to help mentor Foles even longer. But now if he signs here, he will be a circus? The only circus around here is fans like yourself.
To be fair Philly doesn't have the media NYC has. The media here will make it a circus as soon as any dissension or problems arise with Vick. They hate our Jets and look for anything to discredit the organization.
you are going to have to validate that claim with a simple link to the research and evidence that supports that assertion. certainly some athletes are motivated by fear. others are motivated by other factors. but the assertion that all athletes perform to optimum performance when there is fear of losing their position, without it, is a ridiculous claim. some athletes can't handle the pressure of competition and do not perform optimally when faced with competition. They fold. But your claim is that no athlete ever crumbles to the pressure of competition, and that all athletes perform to their optimum when faced with competition. that isn't just athletics, it is human nature. some people are motivated by external competition, others are motivated by internal desires, others are motivated by perceived slights. I wonder who Steve Jobs was worried about replacing him at apple? How did Michael Jordan become the greatest basketball player of all time? there was no fear of losing his starting job from a competitor. By your logic, MJ actually wasn't performing to his optimum capability because he had no fear of losing his starting position. what about Tom Brady? you think he has been afraid to lose his starting job to Ryan Mallet? you have to either claim that is the case and what continues to motivate Brady to be as great as he is, or claim he actually isn't performing up to his optimum ability. Who is LeBron James worried about replacing him in the starting line up? Kevin Durant?
Even though I think there is some reason for concern with Idzik, overall, I still think he has done a very good job and I like his approach to building through draft. Specifically, if the reports are true that he was very stubborn and slow to respond, then those are things that he needs to work on imo. Now he's still basically a rookie at his job in terms of the draft, but not in terms of negotiating contracts. Still, I will give him time to learn and grow. The Jets aren't the Seahawks. The NYC/NJ area is a lot more expensive than the Seattle area. Thus the Jets will have to pay more than Seattle for FAs. Most of the time, being thoughtful, cautious and proceeding deliberately (slowly) can be a good thing, but there are times when one has to work faster, move faster with decisions or one misses opportunities. The fact that Idzik was in conversations with some of the players (and their agents) that we missed out on, indicates that the Jets wanted them and wanted them for a reason (to improve the team). Thus, it clearly shows that it wasn't a matter of the Jets not wanting the players and thinking they could help the team, but rather that in at least some cases (if reports are true) Idzik moved too slowly or refused to negotiate. Now none of us know what was said in negotiations or how long a period they negotiated, but often times in a negotiation, if one is willing to compromise a little in one place, the other side is willing to bend or compromise a little in another area. I'm not saying that it's definitely the case, but perhaps if Idzik hadn't drawn lines in the sand, some of those players could be with the Jets now. Whereas Idzik may have had to pay a little more than the wanted, he may have gotten more the length of contract that he wanted or fewer guaranteed $s or something. That said, I'm glad he didn't overpay for a bunch of older players that weren't perfect fits for the Jets' systems. It also seems to show that Idzik has Woody's full support to build the team in a slower manner and that Idzik isn't feeling any pressure to build a winner immediately. There's one facet of how things have gone down that I very much like. Signing a bunch of FAs would have inflated the team's record and given it perhaps as many as 2-3 additional wins, which would have hurt it come draft time, as it has this year. By building slowly through the draft and not bringing in a bunch of FAs, the team's record will be more reflective of where it truly is in it's stage of development. It may take a year or two longer to build the team by using primarily the draft and to a much lesser extent FA, but the cap will be kept in check, and it should set things up where in a year or two, Idzik will be drafting players to groom to replace older starters, and have the team on a course for sustained success.
You can only build through the draft if you are really good at drafting, is he? Richardson seems to be great, as far as I can tell that's it. If he only adds one really good player a year then the strategy of building through the draft is a joke.
You are naming exceptions to the rule. With every sport and every thing in life there are exceptions. You just named some of the best athletes to ever live in your response. Guys like that have other motivations. With LeBron, it was the fear of failure. Geno Smith has not proven to be one of the best to ever live. He is a rookie who is still on a significant learning curve. My evidence is found throughout my entire sports career. Having played at a collegiate level and having played at a major league level, I have seen first hand what it is like to the young athlete, both when there is no one there to take your job and when there is. I was on both sides. When a track runner is sprinting to the finish line and he looks back and sees another runner catching up rapidly, what does that sprinter do? He pushes harder and harder, beyond imaginable, to finish first. What if he was 100 yards ahead of everyone? Those are the guys that you described. Guys who know that they will still win no matter what. What about guys that start the race by themselves? No matter how slow they go, they will still win. Why would they push themselves to the limit if they know they will still win because there is no one there to beat them?
A good player is going to work to get better because he wants to win, he enjoys the accolades and benefits that come from winning and he knows a new contract will be based on how well he played. Having a "veteran" backup to "push" him into being a winner is ridiculous. I felt the same way about the arguments about bringing someone else in to "motivate" Sanchez. Having a competent backup or someone who might be better is one thing, but he's an injury prone over the hill QB who's best years are far behind him at this point, IMO. I am not sure what the answer is, I'm just expressing my opinion about Vick. Vick is a polarizing figure, and I would rather the team build up a team without talking or being in the media so much, and prove it on the field. And yeah, I don't know if it would be a circus or not but it feels like it would be, like it sort of became with Tebow.
This logic is fuckin stupid and goes against every single belief of all GMs, including Idzik. Competition competition competition. What is the point of competition in your mind then? Please enlighten me.
The reason I am optimistic about idzic's approach is he seems to be avoiding the pitfalls of regretting a contract 3-4 years later. He's leaving himself outs and where we are as far as competing I think its a smart move.
I just don't see any reason why a player who has made it to the level of being a starter in the NFL wouldn't want to train hard and get better for their own benefit and for the benefit of the team and their career. If someone is going to phone it in without competition from someone else, do we want this person as a starter? I could see competition being healthy in general but to sign someone like Vick just to make competition for Smith to make him a better player, I don't see that. If it's some small part of the reason to sign in, yeah. But not as the reason.
Well, from what everything implies, this organization believes in Geno. If you were right, then Idzik would be bringing in Vick to win the job, which is highly unlikely considering his age and injuries. He doesn't have much time left. Which leaves only one other option, competition for Geno to push him to the next level. Idzik is building a team for the future. Bringing in Vick solely viewed to win is not that. He is bringing him in to either win or push Geno, both ways mentoring the young guy. He obviously believes in the competition aspect and he's an NFL executive. We are posters on an Internet forum.
Well, aside from all that he's also a legitimate backup, which we don't currently have, so if he signs cheaply enough he can provide competition, mentoring and backup duties.
The jury is still out on the draft of course but his first draft included the DROY in Richardson and the December DROM in Milliner. That December from Milliner included 10 PDefs and 3 INTs in the last 2 games up against Josh Gordon and Mike Wallace. Plus it included 3 other starters in Geno, Winters, and T-Bo. And the 4th round pick was Ivory. So too early to really judge the 2013 draft but its promising. The real key will be Geno and whether he can make progress as a starting caliber QB. And really for him that just means reducing the TOs.
I don't think you should just take 1 year of draft picks, look at how good those picks are after their rookie year, assume that those players will not improve after their rookie seasons, and then also assume that that's the GMs drafting ability level and that that's what will happen every year.
