Definitely different skill sets, but again it comes down to basketball knowledge. There is no guaranteed success. The presser was just a presser of course, but it sounds like he a plan and goal for the Knicks and he's invested in it. He's also acknowledged a few time, we aren't just going to win a championship overnight which is so refreshing to hear considering a lot of Knicks moves in the past was to the thought "we could win a title this year doing this" when in reality we were so far away. Basically, it's going to be a while to see how this goes. It sounds like Phil would like Melo but he isn't in need of him staying which is good since Melo could walk. Grantland actual had an article saying that the Knicks FO has a good analytics and scouting in place within the organization, they just didn't have a strong voice compared to Dolan and his close confidants (CAA and non CAA) who could overrule them easily. So we will see. There is definitely a positivity coming from the Knicks organization that many (including myself) thought we would never see with dolan as the owner. Let's see if he can listen to his own words "I am by no means an expert in basketball"
Stephen A Smith just said he believes that if things potentially go wrong, Jackson would go coach the team. Makes sense honestly.
I can definitely see that happening to close out a season or to bridge the gap to the next hire, but there's no way no how he would ever go close to full season
yeah maybe for a little bit, but he's not interested in coaching full time any longer. His hips, etc.
Gambles that paid off. Riley was a very good coach. Phil Jackson was the greatest coach. He can manage personalities, but again, it brings some sort of relevance to the team. Would you want to go play in New York with Phil Jackson or without Phil Jackson? The name carries good weight to start off with. What he does going on, that we will have to wait and see. Also, the money isn't really much of an issue for the Knicks. Its a gamble the Knicks can afford, and well, they have to take. If it doesn't pay off, guess what, we are in the same position as we are today. But if it does pay off, well...I don't even know how ill feel. But, the move doesn't make the Knicks worse than what we were and have been over the past decade. Knicks were in no position to negotiate, they needed a name like this, and the price was high, but, they had to pay it. Cant judge Phil's skill set as he hasn't done anything yet.
I don't believe that entirely, if Lebron somehow ended up on the roster I think his hips would take the pain for the sake of coaching.
Knicks playoff odds at 2.9% http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NBA/Eastern/Atlantic/NewYork.html SEE YA WOODY
Around when he left LA the rumors were he was negotiating to skip road trips as a head coach. That doesn't seem very productive for the team. If we must talk about Lebron: This offseason: Knicks don't have cap room unless they can unload Amare/Bargs/Chandler to clear room. So if Lebron opts this offseason, Knicks have to get really really creative or Miami and New York complete a sign and trade for Lebron (if this is possible, I don't know) Next offseason after 2014-2015: If he opts out here, watch out. Amare, Tyson, Bargs off the books. Only Melo (if he resigns), JR, Felton, Shump, and THJ on the books. So is Pablo but I don't see him playing another year and then sticking around another one.
I understand the circumstances abut Lebron, you dont need to go over it for the 100th time. I never said he was coming this offseason.
Huh? I wasn't writing it for you specifically, just in general. The Lebron thing has been picking up steam so I decided to recap what I know about the situation and how it impacts the Knicks. I expressed frustration because Lebron to NY talk, we've done that before in 2010. Same theory as Phil, until he's there signing the contract I don't buy or envision him coming to NY.
I think there is a solid possibility of him coming next year. Its damn near impossible for him to come this year, unless Melo were to leave and he were to come in which would make absolutely zero sense considering how bad the roster is currently. Lebron does not have to opt out, if Lebron stays for another season that would open up the opportunity for the Knicks to sign him in 2015. Everything ive heard basically states that Lebron really wants to play with Carmelo Anthony. Im not here to debate whether or not it would work, but the fact is, there have been reports they want to play together. If Melo were to resign with the Knicks, Lebron really does not have much leeway into who he could potentially team up with for next year. The top free agents this offseason are going to be Carmelo, Dirk, Wade, and Bosh. Perhaps Carmelo does go down to Miami which is a distinct possibility, but if he does resign, why would Lebron stay in Miami long term if it meant he would be playing with Wade and Bosh for another 4 years? Wade is not playing at the same level that he was when they originally came together. If the Heat fail to win it this year, I believe the big 3 they have will not win ever again. They shouldnt have even won it last year so if things start to go south this season, why would he stay with them another 4 year? Pat Riley has to do something to this offseason, he either has to let Wade or Bosh walk, or resign them longterm which might not be in the best interest of Lebron, but it would be whats best for the Heat. Its not like there are any other notable free agents, and its not like Bosh and Wade are going to take one year deals so next year Riley can try and get somene like Irving. There are a ton of factors in place here and each can trigger each other like dominoes. And for Lebron it makes nearly zero sense to get locked in to the same team for another 4-5 years, money is not an issue here, if I am him, I am taking this season by season because at this point we really dont know if the Lebron-Wade-Bosh trio is enough to win a title anymore especially for the 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018 seasons. No one can predict the health of Wade at that point and it would be a huge gamble for Bron to sign that deep into the future because his next contract which he will receive either this summer or next, will pretty much be the rest of his prime years before he starts to decline
He supposedly was a Knick until he woke up on "The Decision" day and his mom convinced him to take his talents to South Beach, so I'll hold off just because I don't want even get my hopes up imagining Lebron on the Knicks Are you sure he doesn't have to opt out? http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm I've been using that site to take a look at contracts and for Lebron wouldn't he opt out of the 2015-2016 contract? I might be reading this wrong. Hmm you think Wade will use his Early Termination Option? Wade is getting paid I think above his value in the league right now. Bosh I see as more of a possibility. This offseason, as you stated, I think it's more likely Melo leaves for Miami to join Lebron they way the teams are built. Then next year, it flips and if Melo stays it's more likely Lebron joins Melo here (or wherever Melo goes outside MIA) That's the big question, would Lebron take big money to stay in Miami as the talent around him gets worse? That's the big question. Melo faces the same one this offseason except potentially he has a brighter future with the Knicks contracts coming off the books after next year. Pat Riley has been in control for a longtime, so I'm sure he has a plan/pitch. Whether it's effective or not, who knows but he got the job done last time
Well the interesting dynamic to this is basically this, Riley HAS TO make his moves outside of Lebron this offseason. So what moves does Riley make? He has to resign Wade and Bosh, there arent any better players out there other than Dirk. So what contracts will Wade and Bosh take? 1 year deals? Of course not, they will want 4-5 year deals because thats what they could get from any other NBA team. So now Riley has to lock himself into Wade/Bosh for another 4-5 years, and if he doesnt resign Wade and Bosh, what incentive would Lebron have to come back for the 2015 season? Nothing. But on the flipside, what sense does it make for Lebron to be playing with an aging Wade and a Chris Bosh who is not exactly the greatest player? I mean for 2015 it might make sense but what about 2016, 2017, 2018,? Thats a major gamble for Lebron. Lebron should in all likelyhood take a one year deal, and re-evaluate where he stands after the 2015 season. Now if you look to 2015, look at who Phil could bring in with Lebron: Irving, Thompson, Asik, and a whole list of guys. The 2015 offseason has a lot more guys Lebron would be better served playing with for the rest of his prime. The third option is Lebron coming back to Miami next season without Wade or Bosh there and then sucking Irving or whoever in next years offseason, but again why would Lebron toss a season out? Of course not. The bottom line is Riley HAS TO resign Bosh and Wade longterm, he really has no other moves he can really make.
Wait the only part I don't get is Lebron taking a one year deal. Why wouldn't he just not use his ETO and then use his player option the following year? I don't see why he HAS to use his ETO. He could easily wait.
Oh okay. I just was confused if that was his only option and if I was reading his contract wrong. It's a bit risky since he has ~20 million on contract already.
Well I'm not 100% sure, I know he can become a free agent. But the rest I have to research. If he has to take a one year deal them so be it, its not in his best interest to get locked in long term with Wade and Bosh. 2015 has much younger guys like Rondo, Love, Irving, Thompson. If you put Irving, Lebron, and Melo on the same team it would be pretty hard to stop.
