idzik's done an unreal job... in just 1.5 offseasons he has: - got rid of a TON of dead weight, getting us 30+ million under the cap - traded a player who was cut 12 months later for a pick that turned into the defensive player of the year + a 4th this year - Wasnt sentimental and cut ties with guys like cro who were overpaid - Didnt give into resigning howard because we'd be left another whole, and didnt pay him twice what he is worth like he ended up getting - Passed on overpaying average players insane contracts like DRC and verner - Signed an upgrade at tackle for less then what howard got - upgraded WR with just a slight overpay on a young WR in decker(25) and he STILL has a ton of draft picks and a ton of cap room at his disposal. and from the looks of it he wont blow that cap money so when wilkerson or someone comes up for an extension we dont have any issues. It's like some of you guys want us to fail... lol yea lets overpay a bunch of guys so we can NOT make the superbowl and then be in cap hell and suffer through another 2-3 horrible years like the last 2 or 3. Idzik is instituting a plan that is sustainable that will have us as a good team every year.
You are not merely waiting and seeing. You are criticizing those who express wonderment at the FO. And if you really believe there is no point in talking until we can judge the results, what are you doing posting here? "the fact that you miss that basic difference between not willing to pass judgement and confusing it with outright support and agreement, squarely validates my emotional hysteric position. " No it doesn't. I have not passed judgment. I have expressed wonderment at the apparent lack of coherence and effectiveness. I do not use the word apparent loosely, and have conceded there may be a plan. There is nothing emotional or hysterical about that. So, you choose a complacent POV, and are angry others do not share it. Oh well. I don't get frustrated when this or that player is not signed. I wonder why with all that cap space, players available to fill perceived needs are not pursued, and end up on other teams, leaving the Jets with roster needs that cannot be filled by the draft, and tending to indicate that our basically no track record GM may not be the most effective one for the job. But I have not called for his firing or called him a failure. I suppose I don't disagree with you anymore than I agree with you on most subjects. I do find your posts on this subject generally adopt an insulting tone with a phony sense of superiority, but I have done that myself from time to time. Well, not a phony sense, but you know what i mean. I gues we've played out this discussion, for now. Have a nice day.
I have seen this link several times today. Stop posting it. I know you are looking for a reaction and frankly it's annoying.
The Jets have to reach 89% of the cap over a 4 year period from 2013 to 2016. They won't be able to rollover year after year under that figure. They were at the cap last year so they have some slack this year. They could roll over $30M this year but then next year the amount they could roll over would be less.
It occurs to me that many FO defenders say that the FO is right not to spend money in FA, that in effect all the players who have been signed by other teams were overpayed, and the Jets were right to not sign any others than the ones they did. So next year, with all that additional cap space to be spent, presumably after it is rolled over from this year, why will there suddenly be better priced FA talent available as compared to this year? Won't the Jets most likely have to overpay then, too, by the logic that FA this year requires overpayment? Or is there some "plan" I am just too stupid to see that FA next year, unlike this year, will be reasonably priced, to the tune of all that additonal cap space the Jets will have to spend or will lose? Maybe my problem is I am stone sober when i post here. I might understand more if I were drunk and high.
I see, if that is the case then perhaps Idzik views 2015 as the season that we will start to have real chances at Super Bowl runs, and is aiming to have cap room for then? Either way it's not like the cap space we don't use this year is just going to disappear, it will be there again in 2015. Perhaps Idzik is saving it in order to have the ability to both re-sign Wilk in 2015 while still having room to sign other FA's.
I would surmise that the plan is to hoard cap space, which I understand rolls over to future years at some level, for that golden moment when the Jets, after drafting well for a couple, three seasons, are in a position to put themselves over the top with a couple of choice free agents. Until you have the foundation in place, no sense picking out the bathroom fixtures. As it were. Just my take on it.
I don't have the exact numbers, but the post I quoted from Brad refers to the fact that if cap space is not used a diminishing amount can be rolled over. And of course your post does not at all begin to address the too many teams overpay on FA argument.
What exactly do you people want Idzik to do? Hand out mammoth contracts to average players on the tail ends of their careers thus crippling our organization in the future (a la Reggie Mackenzie)? This whole "if you have money, spend it" philosophy is exactly the thought process that losing teams are based upon.
The first few sentences of your response essentially says it all.You’re impatient. You want the quick fix or a specific timeframe to tie your hopes to. Unfortunately it’s not that simple. You ever think that maybe these teams that recycle handfuls of players in & out the door every offseason are just sort of spinning their wheels? Don’t you see the overriding glitch in building primarily through free agency? You’re essentially taking other teams scraps & overpaying them to become your key performers. In what world does that make any sense at all??Beyond the notion that the talent you’ve acquired is either diminished in value or performance, what about continuity? What about building a COMPLETE roster? In the modern cap era everything is relative. If you do not valuate players pertinent to their production..you’re not only gonna sacrifice dead money when you let them go..but you’re sacrificing funds that could be used elsewhere on the roster. Football is the ultimate team sport. It also is a sport where everyone is at a high threat of injury. While impact talent plays a part, so does continuity & depth. If you construct a top heavy roster you’re ultimately gonna give up depth. And unless the top heavy roster was constructed via the draft, eventually those players become expendable either on the field or financially. Then again…you pay the consequence via dead money. What free agent did you want to give a 7 year contract to? 7 years?! Have you been paying attention at all to what’s going on league wide? 30 is basically death in this league.Nobody wants to pay for somebody at that age.So either you don’t care about the long term ramifications(Nevermind..i KNOW you don’t)or you know about some “impact” 22-23 year old talent that I’m not thinking of..cause I’m pretty sure that type of guy doesn’t exist. You want more salary cap hell? Sign a seasoned vet free agent to a 7 year deal. What idzik is trying to do is SLOWLY build up a roster by attaining as much talent as he can via the draft while preaching depth/competition along the way. If you get the majority of your picks right & have the funds to re-sign your top end pieces when the time is right..you end up w/ a complete roster that isn’t dependent on 1 or 2 players every week.That can withstand injuries.That has available funds should the unforeseeable arise. This is about prudence.Responsibility. And there’s no timetable on it. Yeah it’s gonna take another year or so. Does that mean the team can’t compete in the mean time? I dunno. Jets have some pretty good young talent already on the roster. Rex is a pretty good defensive mind. Ever think it’s possible this team could surprise without the stacked roster we all crave?? As for the draft picks. They all don’t have to BE starters in this model. It’s not about “plugging holes”. Acquire as much cheap talent as you possibly can & let competition sort it out. Guys like Campbell & Buchanon may never be star players. But if they provide depth as well as competition for a reasonable price..they’ve served their purpose. Of course the jets will needto hit on picks & draft some impact guys. If you draft BPA & have the right scouts in place..you will. But when you go crazy in FA & start trying to fill holes..that’s whn you start reaching in the draft. That’s Tannenbaum stuff. And under that model..yes a guy like Tommy Bohanhon HAS to be a high producing starter..rather than a more reasonable & realistic depiction of being a sub package role player/ST guy.Which is what he is. There’s absolutely nothing wrong w/ that. That’s all part of the equation.
He's also better than Geno Smith. There is no evidence to suggest a 2nd year QB learning from Vick would have a negative impact.
So if bringing guys in via free agency isn't the problem and nobody is completely sold on his direction in the long term why does it make you a terrible fan to question the long term plan and questioning the failing to add players through free agency? I just can't see what he has done so far and project that into a logical plan that puts us in a place to win in the next few years. To me it would have made a lot more sense to lock up a young CB for the next five years than have to use another pick on that position or just end up signing another one next year, maybe not even as good of a guy for the same money we could have this year. If someone has a great answer to the future of the CB position and why we are better off in our current position then I will stop complaining...until then I think it is more than justified to point out the flaws and poor moves made by our GM.
The best players never hit free agency. This team is being built around its defensive line. At least defensively speaking. Those guys can be mighty expensive b/c they don't grow on trees. Wilkerson,Harrison,Ellis,Richardson & Coples. Wouldn't you rather "overpay" to keep those guys?? I'm obviously making an assumption that that's what idzik has planned for those funds..but wouldn't that make an awful lot of sense?
One of my concerns about Vick is that he is an older QB who has only had 1 full healthy season in his career. I don't think he's ready to take a mentorship role at this point, he's looking to start. He also admitted to slacking off a bit on watching game tape, and I don't know if that would maybe make him a bad mentor for Smith. If Vick's attitude is to rely on his athleticism and natural instincts rather than intense preparation, then that won't really allow him to help Smith that much. We know Vick isn't the long-term answer at QB, but we also know he'll be better than Smith in 2015. If we start Smith, we have the best chance to find out whether he can be our franchise QB. If we start Vick in 2014 and then go back to Smith in 2015, we still won't know if he'll be any better than he was in 2013. Smith would still play some games when Vick inevitably gets injured, but we probably won't get those 10+ Smith starts we'd need to have a good sense of how much (or even if) he's improved. Of course, if we've already decided to give up on Smith, that's different. In that case, we should just sign Vick to a 2-year deal that pays him $6m to $8m/year or so, which he will take if we also promise to name him the starter immediately. At that point, we're grooming Smith to become a dependable second-stringer (which isn't a terrible waste of a 2nd round pick), and in 2015 we look for a younger veteran QB who can be a game manager, which can work as long as Rex's defense and the running game are successful. Or if Idzik decides to fire Rex (if Rex's defense fails to the point where you can't expect it to win a championship with mediocre QB play) then we'll probably trade up to draft a promising rookie QB (and extend the rebuild by 1 - 2 years.) Personally, I think it's better to go with Smith in 2014, because he has more long-term upside than Vick, and he did show some potential later in the 2013 season. If he makes significant strides in 2014, then we simply keep going with Smith in 2015. If he hasn't improved in a meaningful way, then in 2015 we still move on as in the above paragraph, with confidence that we're not closing the door on a potentially solid starting QB.
Great defensive lines have been one of the key factors around which traditional NFL dynasties were built. If the NFL is really rotating away from Super QB and back towards Defense Wins then keeping a great defensive front together is going to be a very good move. One of the reasons you haven't seen a lot of great defensive fronts recently is that the cap works against it. Great defensive linemen are so valuable that keeping 4 of them together is next to impossible under the cap. Maybe Idzik wants to tilt at the windmill?
