I don't know that either Vick or the Jets are mentally where they need to be to get a deal done. When Vick signs it will probably be essentially a 1 year deal at a fairly low price. I don't know that he's ready to do that yet. He can hang out into the summer and probably get a 1 yr low cost deal from somebody. The one downside to bargain hunting is that it takes awhile for that market to really develop. You're not getting guys who think they see high 7 figures at low 7 figures until it has become clear to them that the other thing just isn't there.
in 2012 we had a poor run defense and generated very little pressure inside in 2013 we had one of the best run defenses in the league and generated a lot more pressure inside but youre right, we didnt need the best player in the draft
More explosive yes, but as a receiver and route runner, Santonio was better, especially when he was with the Steelers.
I don't think anyone ever really got to see how good Santonio could have been. Glimpses only. His most complete season was his last season with the Steelers. Holmes is just a fucked up headcase, diva. Too much wasted energy in coddling all his oddities.
no, the opposite is obviously true. if you aren't an irrational hysteric because we didn't win the first few days of free agency and fill all the holes immediately, are patient and are willing to see how Idzik's strategy pans out not just this season but over the course of several season's, than you are labeled by emotionally unstable hysterics as joining an Idzik circle jerk. the problem isn't whether someone is disappointed in the fact that the Jets did not sign free agents that may possibly resolve some immediate needs, the problem is when you draw a conclusion that Idzik is a moron or incompetent and doesn't know what he is doing because of such, and ignoring the possibility that he has a strategy that he is executing that maybe doesn't pay off with an immediate Super bowl this coming season but is laying the groundwork for such several years down the road. those people are being irrational and believing that everything is a simple fix, and that a long term strategy isn't valuable because it can result in short term disappointment. they want immediate satisfaction, even if that is simply satisfaction about signing a player (because we all watch football to enjoy contracts being signed, right?), not how that signing will effect the team down the road.
For all the "sky is falling" folks..I posted a few pages back a question that I haven't gotten a single answer to.If Idzik's fiscal state is not deliberate & calculated for the long term..what is it??
If the Jets don't get good relatively quick he will never see the long term, that's how the NFL works.
A broad statement. I am pretty sure you can say that about any player. I think you would be better off just saving your fingers.
Ftr I have never said I am certain Idzik does not have a plan. I just haven't seen much evidence of one other than signing Decker, letting Cro go without an adequate set of CB's on the roster, no move yet on upgrading Qb, another move a sideways one at RT, and still several holes elsewhere on the roster, and not enough quality draft picks to fill all the holes. You and the other FO defenders are throwing around words like irrational, simple fix, ignoring the possibility. The simple fact is you have no idea whether Idzik will from this point forward come up with even an average off season, let alone above average. No one who defended the new management last season predicted we would be where we are today. No one. But now that we are here, there are plenty of over optimistic people who defend the situation by creating straw men, as if the only alternative to what they have done and not done is waste oodles of Woody's money. That was not the only alternative, and you know it. In case it needs saying, yes we all know the off season is not over, that several positive moves can still be made, and all that. But today? If you are not concerned, you are not paying attention, or are just whistling past the graveyard.
Let's pretend that it is. I happen to think that it is, albeit a horribly misguided strategy in a cap system. But what is your definition of long term? 3/4/5 years? 12 years? What are we looking at here? This obscene cap space could've comfortably added at least 2 more impact starters in their primes for the next several years. That's two impact starters that won't be on the roster next year, which is just about the time the team needs to start phasing out a cornerstone in David Harris, and who knows how long Brick is going to be truly effective, etc. Of course when the team has $65M in cap space at the start of free agency next year, it looks like we'll be getting outbid for the prime FAs by teams with 1/4 of the cap space, because well, why again? It's like he's saying to himself, 'well it's ok because I'm just going to find 5 premiere day one starters in the 5th-7th rounds of this draft because it sort of happened once in Seattle.' But if he doesn't do that, which is overwhelmingly likely, this team is completely boned for this year and probably the year after that if he doesn't get a big wake up call. I'm sorry, but there's just no way in hell that putting the Jets at the head of a list that has nothing but the laughingstocks of the league in the top 5 slots is a good long term strategy. This team didn't need to be a minimum 2-3 years away from being a legit playoff threat if Geno develops, but Idzik effectively just made sure that would be the case. Edit: Hey let's take a look at the big job Idzik has done in the later rounds so far. He took an olineman that's never played oline in his life before and hopefully never will in a regular season Jets game. He took the worst starting FB in the league with a 7th round pick, big value there. Of course he's only actually a starter because the rest of the roster was so pitiful that Bohanon got to hurt the team by starting and somehow getting plays centering around him. Those plays always went absolutely nowhere but hey, he's a 7th round starter right? Another guard that nobody has ever heard of and probably never will. Combine with Brian Winters who had to be just about the worst starting guard in the league, that was a big 3rd round pick. The one good move he actually made after the 2nd round was trading for Chris Ivory with a 4th round pick. A veteran starter!?!?!? Just hope he doesn't find too many Richard Sherman's this year, that's the biggest problem I can see, yep.
I'm certainly concerned about the talent on the team as it is today, but I understand that Rome wasn't built in a day. That doesn't mean I think Idzik doesn't know what he is doing or that his strategy is flawed, mainly because I, like you and everyone else, have no idea what his strategy is. The difference is the vocal whiners want to draw a conclusion immediately about that strategy based simply on not getting their needs met of wanting to be excited about signing new free agents. The only rational position is that Idzik has a strategy and believes that the strategy will result in long term success of the Jets, because unlike you and I, he actually has something tangible at stake in his strategy, not simply emotional satisfaction. Time will tell whether it was a good strategy or not, but that isn't the source of contention. the source of contention is that hysterics are drawing immediate conclusions about the future of the team, including the near future about the team that will be fielded 6 months from now, simply because their emotional needs of wanting the Jets to sign players and they wanted to be excited by free agency.
