If the GM throws money at players and they suck the GM is an idiot. If the GM doesn't throw money at the players then the GM sucks. What about carefully husbanding resources and targeting the right people instead of just signing players willy nilly? The latter strategy rarely works outside of Madden.
He was a pretty good fit but the way Idzik moves and the shitty offfers he throws at people its amazing we signed Decker at this point
My argument and frustration isn't because we aren't signing everyone. They had a chance to address a weakness and choose not to. That leads me to believe this will be another developmental year, as a fan I want the jets to be as competitive as possible. So if idzick intentionally isn't filling needs and only plans on doing it via the draft that means its another lost season(short term) That's giving him the benefit of the doubt, while I can't stand manish meta he's not the only person perplexed by what idzick is doing. He just the only one with a million unnamed sources. Lol DRC deal wasn't a back breaker. 15 mill guaranteed. He's not deion sanders, it just shows his approach. To this point it looks like rex will be straddled with young players and anyone idzick can pick up for the vet minimum. It's tough situation to put rex in, then hold his job over his head all season. Meanwhile all idzick believers give him a pass. To this point all he's done is dump contracts. Besides Richardson last year draft is still questionable. I just don't get why so many people are bought into this guy. He was not the gm in Seattle. He's never been a gm. Always a cap guy. He has done an amazing job building a war chest he won't open. I'll give him that.
The question was what he was going to get paid. He wanted more than $9M a year and wound up effectively settling for $8M (the first two years of the deal which is all he will see). The Jets weren't going to pitch DRC a deal that paid him $16M over the next two years and left them with $3M a year in dead money on year 3 and 4. He's not that good a CB. The Giants did this because they have a closing window with Eli Manning and they missed out on the earlier FA CB's as well. The Jets would be doing things very differently this year if they had a 33 year old QB and a declining talent base. The real question is why the Giants didn't score one of the better CB's given what they paid. DRC's real value is probably like $5-6M a year. He was a second-tier CB in this market and yet the Giants gave him a deal that is just below the top deals signed. They should have been on Verner at a cheaper rate or gotten Talib or Davis. Paying what they paid for DRC was settling for second best at nearly top prices.
First off, you are ignoring the fact that DRC played better than Verner last year. Albeit in a career year. Furthermore, if what you day is true, why bring in DRC at all? Just to low ball him with a 1-year deal? It shows incompetence. If you're going to offer 1 year, make it worth his while. I don't know how the giants messed up seeing DRC is making 2/3 of what Revis is getting. That's appropriate market value. You don't pay a guy based on what he did 2-3 years ago. You pay him based on his last season.
I mostly like the approach Idzik uses but the CB position IS a need for us and we haven't even tried to address it, this bothers me. This discussion is getting off topic. Yes, DRC, Davis and Revis pertain to the discussion but the fact that we didn't acquire one or go hard enough for one isn't what I'm asking or what bothers me. - DRC: wanted too much, played like shit for 2 years in Philly, and yes had a career year on a D that was playing teams that were playing from behind all season. - Revis: wanted way too much money, bad blood, older player while we're trying to get younger - Davis: perfect fit, but wanted too much money Then you get to Verner and I don't see any cons, only pros. I'm baffled.
You don't pay average players 2/3 what a superstar makes. That's just not how it works. If Revis is really worth $12M, which I have my doubts about, then DRC is maybe worth $6M. If Revis is worth $10M, which I think is probably a more accurate reading of his value then DRC is maybe worth $5M, which is pretty much where I'd peg DRC's value at this point at 28 after his first good season in awhile.
The thing is, what if the Jets needed to overpay to get DRC? Hypothetically, Jets offer something close to Giants, but Rolle really sells DRC on NYG. DRC says I'm heading to NYG unless you offer considerable more money. Maybe they tried to address it and decided it wasn't worth THAT much. I apologize if this was posted elsewhere, but I thought this was interesting take on the DRC signing: [quote =WalterFootball] Giants sign CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (5 years, $39M; $15M guaranteed): D Grade Everyone on Twitter is pointing out how great of a signing this is, and how this is part of a wonderful offseason the Giants are having. The popular opinion is often wrong, however, and that is definitely the case when it comes to this transaction. People tend to have short memories. Just one year ago, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was coming off an awful stint in Philadelphia. The Eagle fans and media all agreed that instead of "Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie," the DRC acronym should stand for "Doesn't Really Care." DRC, after all, gave zero effort with Philadelphia, so he had to take a 1-year "prove it" deal with Denver, where he actually played up to his potential. Thanks to that great season, Rodgers-Cromartie was able to cash in - and in doing so, he conned another team into overpaying him. I don't know what the hell the Giants are thinking. How can they pay so much money to a player who has shown on multiple occasions that he's willing to be lethargic as long as he's compensated well? Didn't they pay attention to what happened with their divisional rival in 2011 and 2012? Why would they suddenly think Rodgers-Cromartie has turned things around, especially when he was so easily willing to back off his retirement promises in the wake of receiving a big contract like this?[/quote] Source:http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2014recap.php Hmm I cna't format the quote for some reason.
LMAO! Thanks! I guess the academic in me just sort of flows out I get what your saying and you have some good points. Let me explain what I think he might be doing. And let me preface this by saying that I, unlike some posters, I have zero unnamed sources, friends in the Jets FO, etc. I may even be wrong about certain aspects about the cap (if I am please feel free to correct me). Anyway here goes: I think Idzick has every intention of spending the cap money his year but he is also well aware of bringing in the wrong people, relying on FAgents too much, etc. I think he is targeting some key peeps, will add depth, use the draft, and resign our own peeps. Where the FAgents he targets fall thru I think his plan B will be to move e money we have saved this year to a future year. For example: Lets say we sign MoWilk for 10 years, 100 mil with a 30 million signing bonus (30 mil upfront and 7 mil per year salary). I have no idea what it will be really, but these numbers are easy to work with. With all of our cap space we can move up his entire signing bonus to this year (as I understand it). Yes, this will limit us from signing more peeps this year, but if we can't get the peeps we really want why not sign your beast DE for the rest of his career AND reduce his cap number in future years. See how that could work? It leaves us a little less competitive for one year and allows us to use the cap space in future years. The other way around spends the cap space. But if you are merely settling for expensive players then you are tieing your hands for when really good players become available. Okay, this is my theory. We have an opportunity here to build a team and manage the cap in such a way that the Jets could be a monster franchise for a decade, but only if we are patient. Or we can make a decent run for a year or two right now and then watch our FAgents age their contracts become a burden and possibly be forced to let some of our own talent walk. I personally preference the patient approach. I have been waiting for over 30 years--since I became a fan in the early 80s--so I can wait another season or two if it will lead to the promised land and maybe even something like a dynasty. Of course this is all supposition on my part.... So I get why some peeps are frustrated.
Where ever you got that info, it's wrong. The Jets NEVER targeted Revis. His agents called the Jets to see if there was any interest, and aside from Rex, there was none.
So roller skate feet Cro is gone too, the free agent list of CB's is now no better than what we have rostered. Wow.. Verner at $6.5 sure is looking like a huge mistake about now
That is an awesome article ^ Though it doesn't persuade me in the least. If anything it encompasses the talent which he shows in bursts, with the help of Rex and only being 25 I think he could have been great here.
