The team has a LOT of late round talent that contributes. Last year's team really does personify what it means to have a legitimate franchise QB. We had enough talent to win...if we had a top flight QB. Brady would have won with those receivers and TE's. We do not have a Brady so we NEED the receivers and TE's to be much better than average to supplement the average QB play. Now, I'm not knockin' Geno here...he was a rookie and that counts for a TON. But let's say all things progress appropriately...Geno in his 5th year would have won with that talent last year. (again, assuming he progresses the way expected). All in all...we do pretty ok when it comes to our late round picks...especially when you consider Tanny was a master of trading away those picks for shit.
Jerricho Cotchcery 4th round Kerry Rhodes 4th round Leon Washington 4th round Dwight Lowery 4th round Matt Slauson 6th round Bilal Powell 4th round Jeremy Kerley 5th round DeMario Davis 3rd round Antonio Allen 7th round
This is exactly the problem. From 2007 to 2012 the Jets only made 21 picks after the 2nd round. That's 6 years at 3.5 picks after the premier rounds were gone. The average team made 5.5 picks (comp picks) after that point. The Jets made 3 3rd round picks and 3 4th round picks in 6 years. That's like taking the unsung superstar picks and just chucking them out the window. It was a terrible strategy that only worked for a period of time because Woody Johnson was willing to make up the deficit by paying late prime veteran free agents whatever they wanted to come to the Jets. Then the late prime guys went away and the draft had been de-emphasized and the Jets talent base just crashed.
even filling gaps in the draft is missing a point too a degree, the point is we're looking for talent in as many spots as possible and won't overcommit to any one player more than we're comfortable with for the sake of it, which is that fans are whining about not doing. draft picks are an opportunity to have talent aboard for 4 year on the cheap, the more there are the more chances of success there is. free agents are a different beast where you have to commit a good deal more money to retain them, so you want to be sure you do it at a level you're okay with. theres a lot of things the jets can afford now, that includes the ability to pass on a guy if they're not sure about them when they go beyond a certain price.
And they're in bad cap shape now, with a lot of their key players being FAs in the next 2-3 years. I forget which year, but 3/4 of the DBs become FAs, and another year I think all 3 of their LTs become FAs. That's not good planning and cap managment imo.
Despite some uneasiness, I still prefer Idzik's way than Tanny's. I understand we - JETS fans are worried, but if we step back and breathe, we see that other decent teams have not done much: Ravens, 49ers, Steelers, Chiefs (based on last year), etc... Because building a team roster is not based on first week of free agency (where teams tend to overpay), but from now till August (draft and post June cuts, and final Aug. cuts). And indeed, unlike Tanny, Idzik seems to have long term stability and competitiveness in mind. We should give him time to build a roster. Let's breathe.
The Seahawks just won a championship and they have no cap problems going into this year. That's the way a well constructed window looks these days. The cap issues they face are over-rated at this point. As of right now the Seahawks have a cap spend for 2015 (the theoretical problem year) of $85M with no dead money from past years. The '14 and '15 rookies will eat up about $16M in cap space. That will leave the Seahawks at a spend of about $101M on a cap projected to be anywhere from $133M all the way up to $140M. Cap problems? Not.
As a comparison with the Seahawks supposed cap issues, the 49ers have a cap spend for 2015 of $108M. Add in $16M for their rookies in '14 and '15 and you wind up with the 49ers at $124M against the cap in that year. There's a reason the Seahawks look like the dominant team in that division moving forward.
What deals? He drafted those guys over a long period of playoffless seasons. He was the same way there. They aint start cuttin up til he left (like trading a 1st pick for harvin)
@ Br4dw4y5ux if im wrong let me know.. I just dont remember any big free agent signings there thats how we all kno of idziks draft skills and player evaluation right?
I'm just talking about his negotiating skills. The drafts there were run by Carroll with a lot of input from everybody else. The idea that Idzik can't get deals done is incorrect. He won't do deals that don't benefit the team. You're right that Harvin showed up after he left. Harvin had a great Super Bowl but he missed the season with an injury and he has a big impact on their cap moving forward. A few more deals like that and the Seahawks strong position will evaporate.
Exactly...I think some do tend to forget...Idzik wasn't the head man in charge in Seattle...so trying to draw exact parallels is fairly useless. All we can do is look at how they are run and expect that we see similarities with enough of Idzik's own "flavor" mixed in. Frankly I'm glad to see that we aren't overpaying early. I hearken back over the last handful of years and utilize two teams on our own coast as examples. The Eagles and Redskins. Both have gone buck wild in recent memory and neither one of them has a SB. I'll take the "wait and see" approach for now and give the man some time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Repeat after me: Idzik was not the GM in Seattle. Idzik did not run the draft in Seattle. Idzik did not run free agency in Seattle. Anybody ever heard of Ari Nissim? Look him up. THATS what Idzik was.
Word. Thanks. I thought that was idziks doing over there. Now i REALLY dont know how to feel about him lol
Not according to the Seahawks website: http://www.seahawks.com/team/staff/John-Idzik/f304b1c8-4fdb-49a7-b810-c4b074b07c45
No one is suggesting we spend every penny available on FA, just that we should bring in some known talent on a team with so many unkowns. As has been said over and over, BPA is the best strategy in the draft. Wouldn't that be so much easier to follow if we went into the draft without so many glaring needs? Yes late round picks have done well in the past, but we shouldn't plan on them as starters, they are bonuses for doing your draft homework... and lots of luck.
He also played college ball, and comes from a football family. in addition to having a scouting background, he was involved in player evaluations in Seattle as well. I agree the 'cap guy' thing is a misnomer, although he is very smart and adept at working within a cap. All that said, i think he's going through some growing pains as a GM this year. You can only lowball so much when multiple teams are interested in a player, and are willing to pay them a fair market value. FA is a great opportunity to add depth and competition to the team, while allowing flexibility for BPA in the draft. It doesn't necessarily mean overspending or making splashes. To Idzik's credit, that is his mantra, and the correct one imo. He has fallen short on execution thus far this offseason.
