Are You SURE You REALLY Want Sanchez Off The Jets ??

He threw for over 300 yds but the after math and media coverage of that game killed his confidence. People look at 2012 Pats game and after but Mark was not horrible before that he was after.

 

It has always been about Mark's confidence. Hos reading of defenses got better every year and he was coming along nicely. 2012 it was not about reading defenses but trusting the players around you. He was literally throwing to players off of the street and a injured Keller (don't go by games played he was hurt the entire season). When Sanchez had Holmes he was fine and helped Kerly become a good receiver.

Sanchez was not just a young QB coming out of college but an immature QB. He has grown up and was looking pretty good in MM offense. Geno could not run MM offense and it needed to be modified. There is plenty of stories in the NFL where QBs that have had worse starts than Market have succeeded and there have been plenty of QB's that have had success and gone to other teams and sucked or as the talent eroded on the team and sucked.

Go look at Aikman's numbers before and after he had good teams. This circles back around to Geno you cannot be a successful QB with the players we have had on offense the last two seasons. Decker is a good start but we also need to sure-up the oline and add some talent in the draft.

The question to me is will Sanchez be better than bringing in a scab off of the street and to me the answer is yes. Vick makes some sense as he knows the offense and it has been proven it takes more than one season to learn MM offense just look at his QB's numbers that is why there is still hope for Geno and it was encouraging how quickly Marked picked it up.

 

I'd have to disagree, but it's opinion. 2011 Showed he hadn't really progressed in his reads or his ability. Yes his TD production spiked, but as has been shown nearly all of his TD passes came against teams ranked in the bottom third in pass defense and his turnover rate far too high. Yes you can point to a game here or a game there that showed promise, but for every good game he would put up he had 2 or 3 marginal games and 2 or 3 bad games.

As a QB it's their job to inspire confidence in their team mates, not the other way around.

 

Oh...it wasn't a designed play?


Of course it was a blown play. Sanchez forgot the call he just made in the huddle.

1968jetsfan made some good points in post #3359. Sanchez played too many games with his head up his ass.

 

You assume a lot of things how do you know what he inspired in the huddle? He was throwing to shit 2011 and had turn style at left tackle or did we forget? How did Manning do against the best defense in the NFL? The bottom defenses are not just about the QB but the receivers get open and you usually have more time to throw the hence do better. Top defenses you have less time and it is more important to have a good line and quality options and most importantly good play calling. His biggest issue as a Qb has been the fumbles not even the pics that was Marks biggest issue. You look at his INT they come in bunches or have com ein bunches.

Because he was drafted 5th we expected him to be fifth year Tom Brady out of the gates. Tom had superbowl QB Bledsoe to learn behind and Charlie Weiss as his OC. Mark had Brunell and and Schotty.

You groom a young QB that has had some success by bringing in talent and building continuity. Not dumping his favorite two receivers and bringing in Mason and Plax who have not played a down since leaving the Jets. Not to mention WFH as his left tackle. Lets not forget who replaced Mangold when he went down I am sure that helped Mark. (Lets forget about all of these things).

Wait it gets better since he had some success scoring 32 TDS what do the Jets do? Go out and bring in a top OC (Nope). Sure up his oline getting rid of WFH (Nope). They at least brought in some weapons to help him out(nope worst starting offensive talent in the history of the NFL). Wait they did bring in Tebow who they put in every time Mark got into rythmn.

You are right Mark showed nothing.

 

I guess it was a blown play means something else in your language. Sanchez forgot it, Greene forgot it, Mangold remembered it..... It was a blown play!
Sanchez could've sat down and taken a sack like the poosy you think he is. No he decided guide himself up, he ran towards the los(Line of Scrimmage incase you don't understand) to minimize the loss on a dead play!

We know some Qbs like to lay down and some back peddle BUT no pun intended, I appreciated Mark actually trying to do something positive on that sheetty game. A game were the whole Team sucked not just Mark. Just like the season. It wasn't always Mark like Espn wants you to believe.

 

You're the one who said that Mark had no confidence in the players around him, not me. I just pointed out that it's the quarterbacks responsibility to inspire the confidence of the players around him, not the other way around. Early last year when the Patriots receivers were crap and dropping balls did Brady stop throwing to them? Did he suddenly start forcing throws? No, he chewed folks out for doing the wrong things and gave them more chances until they caught on.

yes, he had the 32 TD's, and 26 turnovers.....The 32 TD's is marginally impressive, until you realize that puts him tied for 49th best total for a QB...oh wait, that's not right he's only tied for 49th if you count his rushing TD's but not the other QB's rushing TD's...Though admittedly the 32 combined TD's is 2nd on the franchises total TD list in a season...right behind Al Dorrow's 33, a name most fans wouldn't even recognize. That's the nature of one year wonders. Not saying that Sanchez will never be a good QB, I don't think he will but I don't know what the future holds. Then again, neither do you.

 

Actually the smart play there would have been to take the ball, roll out of the pocket and if a receiver was open throw it and if not dump it. He wasn't under any pressure and easily had the time to do so. But even if his best option was to run to the LOS, which it wasn't, the smart play would have been to tuck the ball as you approached the LOS, not carry it in one hand like a purse.

 

I said he had no confidence in his receivers not that his receivers were not confident.Brady had one of his QB rating of his career defiantly in the last five or so. Tom Brady is a Hall of QB Mark was is still learning. Tom played horrible when his receivers played horrible. Yes he did stop throwing ti them and Pats relied on Edelman and the running game. With all that he still had more talent than the Jets in 2012. Brady did not turn the ball over but I never said Mark was HOF QB or even close.

He combined for 32 TDS on horrible offensive football team. He was throwing to Plax and Mason for the love of Pete.

 

I hung in there with Sanchez as long as I could, but after the butt fumble I tapped out. Don't know if it's just a maturity thing or not with the guy, maybe he's grown as a man and can make better decisions now but who knows. I'm sure he's a beast in a QB competition for the starting job in pre-season, but in the trenches during a regular season game....I just don't know anymore.

Lets surround Geno with some legit offensive weapons and see what we got is where I'm at.

 

I think this is where most people are at including me. Having Mark on the shelf if Geno fails is not a bad thing IMHO.

 

I say surround them both with legit weapons and say go play. Let the better man win. Sanchez and Smith creates the least amount of drama in camp in 2014. You bring in Vick or Schaub and you create a season of drama around the QB position. Let Sanchez and Smith play it out with better weapons and see what they have. Maybe you end up being able to trade one of them or cute them etc. I don't think you have a franchise QB on the roster so that will have to be addressed in 2015. This season is just about seeing if they have anything at the QB spot.

 

You assume he will take a cut that will pay him what a backup should make, maybe 3-4M..I don't and I especially don't knowing as he does that Oakland is interested in him as a starter.

 

A lot of teams show interest -- doesn't mean anything. He takes his $4.8 million for this season (assuming he will take the same in salary/bonus as he would count against the cap if cut) and wins the starting job. If he does that and plays well under Marty now he holds a lot more cards than hoping the Raiders offer him something with a chance to start. The ability to win the job in NY can mean $$$$ in a year.

 

Oh please.

That fucking play, which will haunt us forever, was 100% Sanchez's fault.

Period.

Appreciate it all you want...you'll be seeing it on sports blooper shows for the rest of your life.

 

Makes no sense for him to do that. I would bet he will be cut by this time next week which doesn't mean he might not be back later but he would be crazy not to at least try FA while he can.

 

Did he fumble yes - but what i saw in one play is the entire season summed up in one play. A bad OC that was never on the same page with his players, a team that was lost all over the field, a lack of talent in many areas, and a QB pressing on every pay because of it. It was a broken play where you had running back going one way, QB going the other, QB forcing to make something happen because you have Tebow running on to the field every 8 plays for no reason, you can't throw the ball for more than 5 yards because that isn't called so losing yards is a death blow....just a bad play in an otherwise bad season.

 

I've always had the feeling he headed forward with his eyes shut tight.