It makes perfect sense. I'm sorry that you're so confused or lacking in understanding that you can't grasp it. The draft isn't a place to look for "versatile players." Most GMs, HCs, DCs or OCs in the NFL aren't looking for players who can play in multiple schemes. They're looking for players who fit their schemes. Ever hear of the expression "Jack of all trades, master of none"? IMO that is perfectly apt for the Jets and Rex's stupid obsessions. This is where his desire to be different and creative bites the Jets in the butt. His D has never become a dominant D and been able to totally shut down opponents. It's never been able to create the TOs that Rex desired when he came here. He needs to focus on those things over being so versatile. His blind obsession is why I think the Jets will never win squat with him as HC and why I want him fired. I don't need to remember anything. I'm quite aware of the fact that the Jets run multiple fronts and schemes. It's part of why I despise Rex. You're so confused you can't even see that you defeat your argument with your own comments. You talk about looking for versatile players in the draft and who can play in multiple fronts, but then you want to take one who has little or no scheme versatility and obviously fits in only one scheme (4-3) as an OLB. He would be a total liability in a 3-4 alignment as an OLB and his butt would be on the bench. You don't take a player at #18 in the first round who is only going to be a part-time player. You also don't take a player at #18 in the first round that needs to put on at least 40-50 pounds to be effective at his position. Obviously, I have a much better understanding of the Jets, of how the draft works and how to put a team together than you do, based on your comments. This isn't the Raiders. The Jets shouldn't draft players just because they're fast. That's stupid. Tanny pretty much did that with Hill and we know how that turned out. We also know how the Raiders turned out with Davis drafting all those fast players the last 10 years or so of his life. You wanna talk about laughable! The sentence I bolded is completely laughable. You're totally talking out of your ass. NONE of us know how much, if any, input Rex has into the draft. I'm not closed minded, but obviously, you're free to think whatever. I didn't say anything about not exploring every option, but "exploring" doesn't necessarily mean drafting all those options in a wild, shotgun fashion.
Ah, so now we found the root of the issue - it's your hatred towards Rex. Versatile players aren't important? Did you know each member of the Patriots offensive line can play multiple positions on that offensive line? Why do you think the Patriots line has been top tier year in and year out? So versatility isn't important? As I specifically said in my previous post, the Jets do not run a true 3-4 defense - so the notion that Shazier doesn't fit our "scheme" is bullshit. Coples played in a 4-3 defense, but he has experience in a 3-4. Same with Shazier. The defense may not be dominant, but it can be elite and it can shutdown opponents. It shut down Brady last season, it shutdown Brees last season. A linebacker that can run from sideline to sideline that can go up against TEs/ RBs is crucial in today's league. Especially when QBs check-down on 3rd down. you sir are close-minded. If a player has a specific skill-set that can help us win football games and the Jets FO is sold on that, they should take him. Add the notion that versatility + potential can be a dangerous asset. Again, I am not saying the Jets should draft Shazier, but he is merely an example of someone the Jets could look at.
Yes, I despise Rex, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I didn't say that versatile players weren't important. It's just not the primary concern or most important aspect. Of course versatility is very important on the OL, but is not as important at other positions. One usually doesn't see CBs asked to play S or LB. Where versatility is important is in saving roster spots. That's why you want your 3rd and 4th WR to be able to play STs. It's why it's great if your kicker can also punt, a DL or OL can play fullback. That's not the primary reason you draft a player, however. I don't buy your comment that you aren't saying that the Jets should draft Shazier. You're much too passionate for him and your words betray you. We obviously disagree about Shazier, so further discussion is pointless. We will never agree.
I am just looking at players that could help our team that is all. Jets need a side-line to side-line linebacker that can cover. We have lacked this since Vilma. Shazier being versatile isn't the only reason I was looking at him. He's a solid tackler and has speed as well. I won't complain if the Jets don't draft Shazier, there are plenty of prospects out there that intrigue me - it's a deep draft. If they did draft him, I could see why they would want him. That's fine we don't have to agree - it's a discussion at best.
While I agree with you on the first bolded sentence, that doesn't mean that the Jets agree with us or even if they do, that they'll address that need this year. Davis has the sideline to sideline speed. He is still developing. He isn't great in coverage, but hopefully will continue to improve. You lost me at Vilma. IMO Vilma was one of the most overrated Jets of his era. He was great at tackling RBs 7-10 yards downfield, but didn't make many plays behind the LOS, create many TOs or make big game-changing plays. I was as glad to see him leave as I was Chris Baker, another Jet who was way overrated.
New attempt at the draft - no more double-dipping WRs since the Decker pick. I am still a bit suspicious - I have to guess there was Peyton factor behind his production, but I will just leave it at that for now. Your score is: 4654 (Drafting Ability: B, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A) Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 31 (DEN): Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington (B+) Round 2 Pick 17: Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State (A) Round 2 Pick 22 (PHI): Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young (A) Round 2 Pick 28 (CAR): Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (B+) Round 3 Pick 5: Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A) Round 3 Pick 16: Ed Reynolds, FS, Stanford (B+) Round 3 Pick 31 (DEN): A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A) Round 4 Pick 15: Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State (A) Round 4 Pick 31 (DEN): Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor (A) Round 5 Pick 14: Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami (Fla.) (C-) Round 6 Pick 19: Michael Sam, DE, Missouri (A-) Round 7 Pick 18: Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma (C)
Finally broke 5000 operating in Tanny mode. I couldn't resist trading the future 1 with Ebron sitting there at the end of the 1st. I also tend to be liberal with the late round picks, since I'm pretty clueless on the players beyond Rd. 5. Your score is: 5034 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality B, Future Draft Picks: C-) Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 18: Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo (A) Round 1 Pick 30 (S.F.): Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina (A) Round 2 Pick 17: Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State (A) Round 3 Pick 7 (CLE): Bashaud Breeland, CB, Clemson (A-) Round 4 Pick 6 (CLE): Devonta Freeman, RB, Florida State (A)
Your score is: 5267 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A) Your Picks: Round 2 Pick 8 (MINN): Odell Beckham, WR, LSU (A) Round 2 Pick 17: Kyle Van Noy, OLB, Brigham Young (A) Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech (A) Round 2 Pick 32 (SEA): Marcus Martin, C, Southern California (A) Round 3 Pick 8 (MINN): Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame (A) Round 3 Pick 16: Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson (A) Round 3 Pick 21 (G.B.): Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona (A) Round 3 Pick 28 (CAR): Deone Bucannon, SS, Washington State (A) Round 4 Pick 4: Yawin Smallwood, ILB, Connecticut (A-) Round 4 Pick 15: Dion Bailey, FS, Southern California (A) Round 4 Pick 21 (G.B.): Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin (A-) Round 4 Pick 28 (CAR): E.J. Gaines, CB, Missouri (A) Round 5 Pick 14: Adrian Hubbard, OLB, Alabama (A) Round 6 Pick 19: David Fales, QB, San Jose State (A) Round 7 Pick 18: Ross Cockrell, CB, Duke (A) Idzik would have folk songs written about him and babies named after him after a draft like this.
Here's an example of exactly how bad the simulator's AI is: Round 1 Pick 1 Houston Texans Cleveland Browns trade Round 1 Pick 4, Round 1 Pick 26 and Round 2 Pick 3 (35) to Houston for Round 1 Pick 1. Cleveland Browns take C.J. Mosley, ILB from Alabama. How can this simulator ever be taken seriously again after it has produced that result?
Looks like my best attempt yet: Your score is: 5559 (Drafting Ability: A, Player Quality A, Future Draft Picks: N/A) Your Picks: Round 1 Pick 20 (ARI): Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA (A) Round 2 Pick 26 (N.O.): Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington (A) Round 3 Pick 16: Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman (A) Round 3 Pick 27 (N.O.): Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss (A) Round 4 Pick 4: A.J. McCarron, QB, Alabama (A) Round 4 Pick 15: Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia (A) Round 4 Pick 20 (ARI): Craig Loston, SS, LSU (A) Round 4 Pick 26 (N.O.): Chris Davis, CB, Auburn (A) Round 5 Pick 14: James Gayle, DE, Virginia Tech (A-) Round 6 Pick 19: Devin Street, WR, Pittsburgh (A) Round 7 Pick 18: Brent Urban, DE, Virginia (A) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's pretty interesting to see Anthony Barr dropping all the way to #18 range - at least on these draft game sites including this one. I could even grab him after trading down once. Anybody have an idea about why this kid is falling? If he is available, should Jets grab him?
So-so combine performance coupled with only 2 years as a LB. I still see him as a great top 10 worthy talent but I'm not surprised others are moving him down their boards. There's a lot of talent out there this year. It's a very deep draft and any question marks are enough to move somebody down.
I see. Thanks for the input - I wasn't paying attention to him as I put him in 'out of range' prospect category and just didn't care enough. So the question boils down to: if Ebron and Barr are both available at #18, who do you pick?
Barr. If he's as good as I think he is, when combined with the pressure our DL gets, he would make the Jets pass rush among the most feared in the NFL. That would make our secondary look a whole lot better, and for the most part Idzik could spend the next year or two focusing almost exclusively on the offense. If Allen and Milliner continue to improve/develop, then Idzik could add a mid-round CB and either a FS or SS depending upon where they envision Allen playing, and another OLB and barring injury, they'd be set on D for 5-8 years. You just don't get the opportunity to draft an elite OLB pass rusher at #18 every day. You don't get the same opportunity to draft an elite TE, either, but I just think Ebron would have less of an impact on the play of the team than Barr could/would.
Ryan will anger a lot of people on this board however... [but I personally would like OLB pick. Hell - if he could have it his way, I wouldn't mind Anthony Barr and KVN as the top two picks either.]
I have to confess that if the choice was between Barr and Cooks, it wouldn't have been as clearcut. I'd have a very difficult time choosing between those two. Short of Bridgewater or Watkins falling, I'd probably take Barr over every other player except Cooks.
Totally agree. I would draft Barr and never look back. But I dont think he will be there for us at 18th.
This. I've mentioned this in other threads but having Wilkerson and Barr on the same side of the ball would be on the level of Justin Smith and Aldon Smith on the same side, AKA the offense having to worry about season ending injury to the QB on every snap. That's a threat that teams will have to alter game plans to deal with, and still probably having no good answer.. As good as our d-line is, we still have no elite edge rusher.
So... imagine Barr/Wilk coming hard from the blindside. [Yikes!] Harrison is charging hard from the middle. [Yuch!] AND... Richardson coming hard with KVN charging around from the right. That's a five-men rush that will give me an orgasm on every down. Other six can sit back and enjoy the show. Hell. That front seven will disguise a lot of deficiencies in that back four.
18. TE ERIC EBRON NORTH CAROLINA 49 WR BRANDIN COOKS OREGON STATE 80 S ED REYNOLDS STANFORD 100 WR JARVIS LANDRY LSU 111 CB JAYLEN WATKINS FLORIDA 142 RB JEREMY HILL LSU 179 CB BENE BENWIKERE SAN JOSE STATE 210 QB CONNOR SHAW SOUTH CAROLINA Overall I'd be happy with this draft. Quality CB that could be ready to play at a strong level year 2-3 and some awesome WR's with value through the fuckin roof. Cooks in round 2 is a pipe dream but went off Walter Football's big board and he landed right there. If only the 1st 2 rounds would actually play out like that
My latest attempt from the OP draft simul site: 18 TE ERIC EBRON UNC 49 TE JACE AMARO TEXAS TECH 80 RB KA’DEEM CAREY ARIZONA 100 DE JACKSON JEFFCOAT TEXAS 111 G DAKOTA DOZIER FURMAN 142 WR DEVIN STREET PITTSBURGH 179 DE MICHAEL SAM MISSOURI 210 CB DONTAE JOHNSON NORTH CAROLINA STATE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The hoping was, Jets could convert both DE picks into OLBs.
