WR Prospects

Lee is a good player, but for a true fit for Marty's West Coast System, I believe Cooks, Beckham & Adams are the best choices.
I have no issue drafting Lee, but I believe there will be a better option. I just don't want Benjamin in Rd 1.

 

While I do appreciate a good backpedal, you titled the thread 'Jordan Matthews is the return of the Messiah' or close enough and made definite declarative statements like "it's clear Matthew's stock is on the rise, the Senior Bowl and Combine will answer any concerns." Of course he ended up shitting the bed at both the Senior Bowl and Combine which was no surprise to me when I pointed out how crazy you sounded after you called me crazy for saying something that was dead on accurate as we sit here now. It was all just a big hypothetical though.

Now that your first reach WR bellyflopped it's on to Cooks I guess. Nobody besides you is going to rate a nice slot WR above Lee or Ebron and with the amount of QBs that are going to be gone it would take somebody rating Cooks that way. Chances are Lee or Ebron either make it to 18 or very close at the least, and I don't see Cooks coming off the board the pick after even if that were the case. Once he does make it to 18 I'd prefer Beckham since we already have Kerley, but at that point I still might rather trade back and grab the best remaining WR then trade up once or twice to get ASJ and a starting guard or Amaro first then do the same thing and get the best WR after.

 

I don't know what your problem is, you're acting like a total ass. I wish you would bring up a quote were I stated Matthews was the next best WR, and no else mattered. Quit embellishing , you're embarrassing yourself. I haven't given up on Matthews, I can't believe you would diss a player that has such an extensive resume. Matthews was an early 2nd Rd player before the Combine, some team in late Rd 1 may be targeting Matthews and pull the trigger.

I've learned to never say never, when it come s to the draft, you're talking in absolutes, I've never said in any statement "MATTHEWS will be the #18 pick".

Go read up on Cooks he's getting 1st Rd recognition...that's a fact and not just from me.

I back up all my points with my observations of studying players. I don't spew bullshit and write stuff without backing it up.

I haven't backpedaled, Matthews is everything I stated in my first post in that thread. Great team leader, smart, SEC leader in receiving yards. I said he could have the potential to move up into Rd 1.

You talk about trading back, a lot easier said than done. It takes two and it's not easily accomplished. Shows me your inexperience and lack of knowledge when it comes to the NFL Draft.

Kerley is a nobody compared to Cooks, Beckham & Lee. You don't pass up 1st Rd talent because you have an average slot WR. I like Kerley, but Jet Fans overrate his ability. Kerley isn't explosive, a weapon or a true play maker that makes a difference.

Clearly you haven't studied up recently on ASJ, he's hurt, went under the knife last week and won't participate in drills . Stock has dropped and could fall into Rd 3.

 

You said he will have a mid first round grade after the Senior Bowl and Combine. I said it was ridiculous to think a receiver like him will improve his stock from the combine. I admit that I didn't see him tanking the Senior Bowl coming as bad as he did, but of course I'm sure you were more shocked by that than me. I liked Jordan Matthews a lot since the beginning of the season, but you simply overrated him and you're doing it again with Cooks, that's all I'm saying. He's not an outside receiver and he doesn't look like the best slot WR in the NFL. He'll probably turn into top 5-10 but he doesn't have the explosiveness or elusiveness to be the best and that just isn't worth enough especially when we already have a more than competent slot WR who will suffer on the outside long term. There's a big difference between late 1st round grade and mid 1st round grade. More than a 3rd round pick difference we're talking night and day and you're acting like it's just a given with these polished receivers with a ceiling.

ASJ being hurt is awesome, I really don't know what you're talking about. It means he will likely last until 50 when he wouldn't have before and just as importantly it means that there is a legitimate excuse in the production dropoff last year, the kid projected mid 1st round before the season started don't forget.

Picks get traded 20-30 times each and every draft. If the choice is Brandon Cooks at 18 I choose to trade back, and if that doesn't work I might choose to look at defense or even OL, and if that doesn't work I probably choose Beckham. By being open minded depending on how the draft uniquely plays out you keep yourself from getting painted into a Brandon Cooks corner, and while I don't 100% guarantee that Cooks won't go in the top 20 the way I did with Jordan Matthews when you were just about guaranteeing that he would, I'd go about 90% of the way with Cooks. He's very good, but not quite good enough to make it a fit with the 18th pick.

 

I give Dallas our 4 in a heartbeat !

 

First, it may mean very little to You in the scheme of things, but 3 weeks ago we had a mock draft. I was the Jet's GM and didn't reach for a player and drafted Taylor Lewan. I didn't draft Cooks, Beckham, Pryor, Ford...etc. I selected that BPA, and Lewan was clearly the BPA. I've always believed in value and still would draft Lewan again if it fell that way.

I think you can't rule out that Cooks or Beckham could move into Mid Round 1, it's still early and Cooks is one of the hottest players right now. Last year at this time Fisher was a 2nd Rd prospect, things can change. Austin wasn't considered a top 10 pick in Jan last year.

Trading back is a great concept, but it's a difficult feat to accomplish. Teams try all the time, but trying to get proper compensation and both to agree is tough. For the Jets to get out out of #18, a team would want to get ahead of the Dolphins. The Phins will be looking at O-line and probably Zach Martin, so hopefully a team would want the #18 pick. The problem is the Jets shouldn't make the move till they're OTC, to see if a player they covet is available.

 

I'd give Pitt our 1st and 3rd for their 1st and 5th. But if Evans gets there and they resign Sanders I might roll the dice and hope they don't take him and nobody trades up then get a deal done with Dallas. Probably a fantasy to think he even makes it to 15 but a similar idea might make sense for Ebron although I'd be more hesitant to give up any extra value for him.

 

WW85 overrating a draft prospect?

Never....

/sarcasm

 

Cooks, Lee and Beckham are not slot receivers. Lee is an X or a Z. Beckham is probably an X. Cooks is probably a Z. Cooks could be either but I'm guessing teams will want him in motion to get him away from jams when that's a problem which it will be now and then.

 

I definitely don't see Cooks being an X and I doubt that he'd be a more effective Z than Y. The one time he played against a real NFL corner he basically got shut down, unable to get separation which led to one and almost two interceptions. Even against lesser CBs he tended to have a hard time making much when jammed so picturing him as an X against the best NFL CBs seems like a total washout. Why you would want to take a prototypical Y and kick him outside doesn't seem to make much sense to me aside from 2 receiver sets, especially when he has already shown a lack of enough speed and strength to get separation against CB1's. Even if he can pull off Z I doubt his overall production would be much better if at all than if he was just left at Y without turning it into an adventure.

 

Cooks is a player that can kinda do it all TBH... He can run all the routes, can play WO or in the slot!

I think he is a 3 tool route runner that can be effective running as a Z, X or Y

WW85 is right his draft stock is going to sky rocket. I have been watching his catches from last year and he has everything you want. Super polished, tough, speed to burn, strong safe hands, great body control, runs nice routes and has solid intangibles.

 

Not sure if I agree. I think he peaks at Santana Moss's production (at his ceiling); a small, fast guy who has great route running yet sometimes struggles with separation. I like Cooks, but I'm not sure I would use the 18th overall pick on him. At this point I like Marquise Lee more.

 

I would take Cooks over Lee any day... We have zero luck with USC players too...

I would take Benjamin, Cooks or Beckham over Lee at 18. Lee has poor technique catching the football and is injury riddled. We need a guy who can start from day 1.

I want Watkins, Ebron or Evans the most but i think they will be long gone by 18.

 

Until just recently, Watkins and Lee were the top 2 WR prospects, in a tier by themselves, then Evans entered, and Benjamin was considered a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect. Now all of a sudden, Cooks and Beckham come out of nowhere to join the party. But they were both considered 2nd or 3rd round prospects before the combine. Workout warriors/late risers scare me. (see Stephen Hill - great measurables but can't catch/can't play/can't stay healthy). I say stay at #18 and thank our lucky stars when an elite prospect like Marqise Lee falls into our laps! (he was considered a top 5 prospect until overblown injury concerns surfaced)

 

Agreed. Marquise Lee has been falling recently, but whoever gets him is getting a #1 receiver and a potential pro-bowler. I would love to draft this guy, definitely over Cooks and Beckham and 100% over Benjamin.

His "bad hands" technique is overblown, though I am concerned about injuries. Milliner had those same concerns, though, as do lots of top picks.

 

I know a lot of you guys on the forums are in love with the speed guys in the draft(Watkins, Cooks, and Lee) but we need height at the receiver position. We should really be looking to get Mike Evans in the first or Benjamin in the 2nd. Geno really developed a rapport with David Nelson as the year went on so I'm sure he would love another 6'5 guy with hands that can go up and get the ball.

 

I'd rather make a play at Darrin Sproles for that playmaking role and try to sign Eric Decker. Imagine our offense with Evans/Decker/Kerley and Darrin Sproles out of the backfield. We would also have depth with Nelson/Hill and Ivory/Powell/Goodson, thats a shitload of weapons.