Glad they are looking into Mettenberger. 6'5 230, we haven't had a guy like that since Vinny. Pair him up with one of the LSU wide-outs. I would not be worried about his fit in the WCO, Marty will adapt. Mettenberger and Fales are polar opposites that I believe would both be good fits for the Jets with the late round selections. I think McCarron is destined to be a Patriot. Jimmy G. might go in the first round, or the top of the 2nd - 49ers had a private workout with him (with the situation with Kaepernick n all) and the Vikings have expressed tons of interest
I'm a big fan of Tajh Boyd. While he can make the bone-headed mistake, he's improved his game over the past few years. He might not be the best fit for a WCO, but he does throw the deep ball with great anticipation and he's able to escape (and run) faster in pads than he was at the combine. If Boyd could be had with our second third rounder or a fourth, it would be a great value pick, at least to back up Geno/Simms.
Erik Ainge was 6'5" 225. It's not all about height, it's about height and talent. My issue with Mettenberger is that it's just 1 year to go on and he got hurt at the end of the year. I'd pass until about the 6th round but it seems possible that the Jets like him more than that.
Eric Ainge was also a drug addict. If his head was on straight, who knows what his career could have been? Mettenberger has elite arm talent so he does have some talent to go with the height. Sure, he was a 1 year wonder, but he did show a lot of progression working with Cam. I am a strong advocate of getting a QB sometime in this draft to work with Geno Smith and a vet. We may have to grab him with a late 3rd rounder. If that is the case so be it. Especially if they see something in Mettenberger. Not saying Mettenberger should be the pick, but they have to take a QB.
Tajh Boyd. Thanks for his name. I didn't have time to look it up. Man, age does take a toll on one's memory! lol He has improved, but I was very distressed to see his poor play in practices and the Senior Bowl. He killed his draft stock. I'll be surprised if anyone takes him before the 6th round, nor do I think they should. No way he's worth even a 4th round pick imo, much less a 3rd. The thing I like about him is his mobility. If Geno remains the starter, it would make sense for his backup to also be a mobile QB so that the team didn't have to substantially change the offense if Geno got hurt or floundered. That's why I don't think Mettenberger is really a fit. He's immobile and purely a pocket QB. McCarron and Murray are perhaps a little more mobile, but still basically pocket QBs. I don't like Fales at all because of his arm. Unless Smith of Wyoming is mobile, Boyd is the only halfway decent QB that resembles Geno's style of play in this draft. IMO his decision making, reading of Ds, and accuracy will need to greatly improve for him to stick in the NFL.
That's unfortunate for the young man. His collegiate play really seemed to indicate that he'd have performed better. Oh well. I agree with your points about Murray and McCarron. Of the two, I'd take the former, but neither really fit the sometimes-mobile QB profile. Sent using Tapatalk
Yep...just to Re - Mettenberger - i am only asking cause i have never watched this kid.....is he truly immobile or does he have escapability like rothlesberger? tia
I feel a boom or bust player has traits that give him a high ceiling whatever those trait might be AND has traits that make him have an average floor whatever those traits may be. ex. Benjamin has all positive physical traits that give him a high ceiling but has concentration and lack of catches as a negative that gives him an average floor. Russell Wilson had very positive intangible traits that gave him a high ceiling but had physical measurables that were questioned that gave him a average floor. BOTH boom or bust players!
Someone who has seen him more than the 4-5 times I have can answer better, but in the games I saw, he didn't look to have much of a pocket awareness, didn't move around a lot, and had little escapability. I don't see Rothlisberger's escapability in him, but it may be there.
I don't get the Mettenberger - Big Ben comparisons at all. He doesn't throw as well on the run as Big Ben, nor does he have that escape-ability factor. He's more Joe Flacco then Big Ben.
The size comparison is very accurate to Big Ben. I wouldn't call Big Ben quick, but he has good feet to escape pressure, as you mentioned. Mettenberger is a true pocket passer. I think a Round 3/4 pick for Mettenberger could pay off dividends for some team, he would have been a Rd 1 selection if he wasn't injured.
I'm not too excited about any late Rd QB prospects. I don't think there will be any Tom Bradys. Logan Thomas is so inconsistent, he has all the physical tools, just makes some dumb plays. Bryn Renner was injured and has showed some promise to be a back-up NFL QB. Jeff Mathews , Cornell has good NFL size and again could be a #3 QB.
Mettenberger reminds me more of Flacco than Roethlisberger. He's an interesting prospect. As a junior, he was awful except for that Alabama game where he was decent. This past season, he was very good and looked every bit like an NFL quarterback. In the 4th round, that's a great pick for us. Bring Mettenberger along slowly, let him rehab, let him learn the playbook, and if Geno steps up this year, we have a developmental prospect. If Geno shits the bed, we have another young option who has legitimate starter talent. I'm quite alright with Beckham in round 1. I've loved him for a while. Hoped we could get him in round 2, but that seems impossible now. He's as good as any receiver in the draft other than Watkins.
Mettenberger is prototypical QB for the OTHER WCO, namely Gillman offense. He's got NFL-calibre arm, but lead block of a foot. He will not fit in WCO, as Walsh's version requires a QB that can move around decently, if not good at it. [Montana and Young were above-average rushers on the ground, mind you.] That's what sets Blake Bortles apart from Mettenberger. Bortles moves around rather well for a big guy of his size. [This was basically why I thought he would be a damn good fit in WCO - he's got accuracy, arm, decent anticipation and mobility on top of a big size.] As for Mettenberger, he's more like Drew Bledsoe and Vinny Testaverde; he stands tall in the pocket and delivers the ball while absorbing hits. But he will never be the consumate WCO QB. And this aspect was what was so intriguing with McCarron. He is really good at risk-management as a QB. That's the #1 trait you are looking for in your WCO QB. He can dart the ball within 20 yards, and got a very good touch in short passes. He was not tested in hard pass rush of NFL calibre yet - so that's where the coaching and riding the pine for the year comes in. Other than that, he's got a decent mobility, and risk-averse mentality. True - his ceiling might not be all that high. Who cares? WCO wants to complete most of the passes in 7-15 yard range anyway, and you can always grow stronger with sufficient training. I was thinking, maybe this is just the kid Jets need. [And his stock is all-time low now, and I expect him to drop even further come draft day. He literally shit the bed in the past few months when he could have boosted himself into the 1st round consideration.] And it would be really refreshing to see a Jets QB not named Chad Pennington post 2/1 TD-INT ratio. Sanchez and Geno both failed miserably there. [I tend to think Geno should still fix his dropback mechanics before anything - and McCarron may have edge over Geno in terms of sound QB mechanics to put it bluntly.] ============================================================= Say, what do you think about the grading from this site? http://www.draftinsider.net/
Good post Zach on the Gillman offense. I took a quick look online, the Air Coryell was a product of the Gillman WCO is that right? What intrigues me the most is that, Mornhinweg came from the WCO philosophy where Mariucci and Holmgren refined it and added a vertical aspect to it. Brett Favre (who loved to say fuck it go deep) worked in that WCO too, could Mettenberger run a "poor man's" version of that WCO from back in the Packer days? idk, hopefully that made sense. There are so many damn variations of the WCO nowadays ...
Agreed. But there might be a Drew Breese... Whats your take on Aaron Murray? His injury really makes it interesting. I feel he could of been a 2nd rounder if he didn't get hurt, the kid kept his team in a lot of games and reminded me of Drew Breese a bit. I would gamble on him in the 4th round if he's there.
Remember, though - the mobility of QB is a very strong requirement in a good WCO. Say, there is this play called xxx Sprint Option xxx. [Formation calls, and receiver combinations, I omitted. They are all sprint option calls anyway.] In this play, you NEED a QB that can run. The defense is stretched horizontally [RB or TE flat] and vertically [2 WRs at 2 different levels at the corner]. If all receivers are covered, the QB needs to tuck it in and run. This play will easily net you a good 2-3 yards - not a lot of yardage, but you are almost always guaranteed to get it. You see - when you are at 3rd and goal on 3 yard line, that's the call you should be thinking about. If your QB cannot run? Forget it. You don't have that kind of scoring threat that the defense has to respect. [This was the very play Montana burned Cowboys with, back in 1981 NFCCG.] And yeah. That Favre dude. He made a living out of Sprint Option plays. He was very good with his feet as well.
