What you are not getting is that I like Benjamin because he is boom or bust. I'm not bashing other players either i'm simply pointing out what i feel is there weakest part of their draft stock. Your absolutely right Benjamin has flaws and less catches and problems with concentration catching the football. But i salavate at a WR that is 6'5'' 240 lb that looked like a beast compared to others side by side at the combine and torched single coverage with 2 different QB's. I am a sucker for players that have big ceilings and average floors Benjamin - ceiling/floor is Marshall/Rice Beckham - ceiling/floor is Cruz/Ginn
Rock, Sorry, but that's even worse. IMO that's the way for a GM to get fired. That's what Tanny did, go for the home run constantly. Doing it that way, you'll hit it big occasionally, but like most power hitters in baseball who constantly swing for the fences, they strike out a WHOLE lot more than they connect. The only time I think it would be acceptable to go for a boom or bust prospect would be a team that is already great and perhaps lost in their division Championship Game or the Super Bowl, and think that one player can put them over the top. Otherwise, it's a terrible, unrealistic way to go into the draft. It's akin to reaching and reaching big.
Rock, you just don't get it. You didn't hit a a nerve, I 've tried to help you. You contradict yourself constantly. You support your opinion of a player dissing him because of the amount of receptions, that's a fact you stated. I bring up the point that high ceiling , man crush crush has similar receiving stats. You like Benjamin because he's a "boom or bust player".... I'm convinced you're a troll and if you continue your life will be short at TGG. As far as studying College football players and draft knowledge, I can tell the people in this forum that know their stuff.
I get that and understand the conservative approach. I'm just not a conservative type guy... I want to be aggressive and peruse players that have potential through the roof! The Pats have won something ridicules like 12/14 division titles and it honestly pisses me right off and i want players that have the potential to be stars to be able to just crush them.
I understand being pissed off about the Pats. I want to crush them as much as you, but patience, grasshopper. Rome wasn't built in a day. With all the holes the Jets have and little depth, one boom pick isn't going to get it done. They HAVE to take a more conservative approach and seek to upgrade the talent level, athleticism, toughness, production, level of play, and speed of the whole team, not just 1-2 positions. I also understand wanting to have a great offensive player on the Jets we can get excited about. I can't even remember the last great offensive player we had, and imo it definitely wasn't Curtis Martin. He was a very good, consistent, hard-working player, but not great imo. I can understand being impatient for a SB winner. It's been 45 years since they last went to a SB. But there are ways to get there and ways not to get there, and swinging for the fences on boom or bust picks is the way NOT to get there. Tanny was an aggressive GM. He constantly traded up going for those "elite" or star players and swung for the fences with draft picks, and you see where it got the Jets. It's not the way to get to where we ALL want the Jets to be, my friend.
I dont contradict myself at all. Once again i'm not "dissing" him i'm just pointing out his draft stock flaws... I can point out Beckhams pro's too! Elite speed, solid hands, good body control and excellent sporting bloodlines. All i'm saying dont think he isn't a boom or bust pick. Now to clarify why i like boom or bust picks so i dont get called a troll agian... sheesh... I like the image an aggressive front office has in the draft! Look at Seattle, they knew they needed to hit a few home runs and went boom/bust with skill that had solid charactor. Sometimes aggressiveness is misunderstood as recklessness and i don't mean to come off that way.
Sorry, but imo if you really think that Seattle went "boom/bust" with their picks in the draft, you're sadly (and badly) mistaken. There's nothing about the way Schneider does his job that even remotely suggests that.
I don't think that anyone else would qualify those as boom or bust picks. Just because a players is chosen and isn't considered a lock to be a quality starter doesn't make him a boom or bust pick.
okay, thats your opinion and ur entitled to it. I feel they were aggressive in taking kids that had super high character traits and they value that intangible greatly and aggressively perused it. Their skills, size and speed were all questionable going into the draft. nonetheless i felt they were aggressive in their own way. I want the Jets to be aggressive in the draft in their own way too! I like the optoin of going after athletic freaks. just personnel preference.
Where were they taken? They were all lower round picks, right? Aside from the character traits, the skills, size, speed issues are common for low round draft picks. There's nothing boom or bust about that. Also, how do you get that the Seahawks were "aggressive" in going after those things? Did they trade up for those players? I don't follow the Seahawks, but unless I've missed something, no they didn't trade up. Taking those players could simply have been a matter of they thought those were the bpas at those points in the draft or they had them rated higher than some other teams did. That doesn't make them "aggressive" or the picks "boom or bust." If you have articles quoting the Seahawks regarding those players, then please share them; otherwise, you're just putting your interpretation onto their moves, which doesn't mean anything.
I've been watching this back and forth silently for a while, but had to jump in here. Using the term as it has become defined in sports, what you've described above is the exact OPPOSITE of a "boom or bust" draft pick. In any of the major sports, a boom or bust draft pick has all the physical attributes and/or skill in the world, but has character/intelligence/intangible flaws that disallow their natural physical talent to be utilized to any significant extent. Boom or bust draft picks are usually overdrafted specifically because the selecting team is drunk on the immense physical gifts of the kid and hope they somehow drown out his mental/character concerns. Drafting smart but undersized and/or poor measurables kids with non-premium draft picks is an attempt to exploit a market inefficiency, and just about the farthest thing from a boom or bust pick that there is.
Actually, I am very intrigued by AJ McCarron - say, if he is available at the end of 5th round, do you take him or not?
McCarron would be a value pick in the 5th round. I'm guessing the Jets grab somebody in the 3rd or 4th. Mettenberger seems to have their eye at this point.
I like Mettenberger's arm a lot, but don't think he's really a WCO QB. I see him more as a Flacco or Roethisberger-type QB, except perhaps less mobile than the latter. I like Garoppolo a lot, but he will go in the 2nd round and Carr will probably go in the 1st. If the Jets take a QB in the middle-to-lower rounds, I think I would prefer Murray or McCarron, although I'm not really high on either. I haven't investigated the Smith kid from Wyoming, but I think the only other QB I'd have any interest in is the kid from Clemson. I used to like him a lot, but it's like he's fallen into a black hole. I've seen him play at a very high level in big games
