Brandon Coleman

Not a Coleman fan... Everything he does is luke warm...

 

No thanks. Rather take a healthy receiver that produced.

 

Absolutely would take a flyer. 6'6 with ability to go vertical? If he can refine his game then he could be a big time receiver

 

Anybody remember Marcus Henry? He was a size/speed guy too with a lot of upside. Now he's fighting for his professional life with the Edmonton Eskimos.

 

Sorry if I came across as rude. I just don't view Coleman as an NFL-ready WR.

He's a project IMO and I think it's easy to fall in love with his size and neglect the lacking parts of his game. He doesn't have big production at the college level, despite his size creating mismatches. What is going to happen in the NFL when those mismatches become more even? He has a history of knee issues and small hands (9 1/4"). His vertical (32") cone (7.33) and shuttle (4.51) times demonstrate that he lacks burst and quickness. The scouting reports I've read say he catches the ball with his body and that he would've benefited from another year in school to polish to his game. He probably isn't going to contribute on special teams.

If we really want to get a big project WR, we can certainly draft one with better credentials in later rounds, and some of them will be able to contribute on special teams which is a big focus for those later picks. Moncrief, Bryant, Street, Hoffman, Janis, and Latimer are all guys that come to mind and several of these guys would come cheaper. So no, I don't believe we should draft Coleman.

 

I like Coleman alot somewhere around the 4th.

6'6 w/ long arms, a frame to get even bigger & he is smooth as silk in his movements on tape. I'd honestly put him in the top 3 of movement skills among this WR class.

He struggled w/ separation last year..and he is a project. But he has all the physical skills to be a starting calibur WR.

I really don't have an issue w/ the Jets selecting a project WR as long as it is after round 3 & as long as they select a WR who is alittle more ready to contribute beforehand.

John Ford out of Pittsburgh State is another project w/ size/speed/athleticism that would be worth a flyer

 

I can see drafting a project WR in a year when there's not a very good draft class of WRs, but not this year when the draft is so deep. I have little interest in Coleman because of that.

 

This whole CLASS is deep. But once you get to around the 5th round..you're looking at project types. You & I have already had similar discussions. I don't wanna put words in your mouth but I'm getting the sense you have a certain pattern set in your mind about what positions/players the Jets are gonna pick in each round. You're lining yourself up to be very disappointed. The draft almost never ends up working out that way.

This team DOES have other needs than WR. They WILL likely take another position with their first 3 picks.While I agree WR is the team's biggest need..we can't just expect to draft nothing but WRs early & expect these guys to immediately be ready to contribute. More likely..we take an immediate contributor w/ #1 upside early, a #2 type FA & a project later in the draft to develop. That's 3 new players to add along to Kerley/Hill/Nelson. Seems pretty realistic & reasonable to me.

 

I'm glad that you realized that you may be misunderstanding or misrepresenting my thoughts, because I don't have any set position or pattern that I think Idzik will follow. To begin with, I don't think that's the right way to approach the draft. Secondly, Idzik's only handled one draft and is very close-lipped about how he does things, so we don't have anywhere near the amount of info we would need to even attempt to predict who he'd take when. Thirdly, even considering #2 above, Idzik just doesn't impress me as the type that would reach for players or say I have to get this position in this round, etc. His nature seems to be thoughtful, cautious, rational, calm, and not the type to panic or overreact.

Of course the team has other needs than WR. I could easily see the bpa in the first round in Jets' minds being a defensive player. Do I think they'll go 3 rounds and not take a WR? No, I can't see their not taking a WR in their 1st 3 picks, but they could if the draft fell a certain way. I could easily see them take a TE, OT, CB or OLB in the first round, a player from a different one of those positions in the second round, but by the third round, I think Idzik would trade down and do about anything in his power short of trading up, to get a WR prospect they like. If they do take two WRs, I agree that one is likely to be high that they think can contribute at least early, if not immediately, and the other could very well be a project. There are projects, and there are projects, however, and I see Coleman as a "project" without a lot of potential or upside. If they don't get a FA WR, however, I think they may feel more pressure to take 2 WRs early, but that doesn't mean they would.

As long as Idzik using an intelligent, patient, and reasonable approach to the draft and improves the team by adding excellent talent, I will be happy, unless he winds up drafting an OG, C or DT in the first round and a lot of the rest of his picks are projects or players lacking in speed and potential.

 

All reasonable assumptions.

I guess the only thing we really disagree on is Coleman's potential. I see a guy who could be a very solid contributor in a year or 2. You can't teach size, length or movement & he has all 3. He just needs to learn how to seperate better.

Sorry if my post seemed to be attacking. I respect your perspective & sometimes get too passionate within my opinions.

 

Thanks, but it didn't come across as attacking at all. I also respect your opinions. I totally understand being passionate! If we weren't all passionate, we wouldn't be spending so much of our time here obsessing about the draft.

I think that in general, we think a lot alike as regards player evaluation, how to approach the draft, etc.