Concur--it's a grey area. Folks a few pages back were painting him as a team first saint. Not so clear cut. _
Make your own evaluations. The media has their own agenda, don't let their portrayal sway your views. _
I'd take Holmes back at the vet minimum plus the money we owe him if we cut him, I think it's around 3.5 from an earlier post in this thread. I don't think he's as bad a teammate as everyone is making him out to be. I remember in Hard Knocks he was always talking to the younger guys trying to help them out. I also don't think he's as bad a cancer as the media makes him out to be. He has a long standing feud with the press, and you're just not gonna win with them cause they'll just quote what you say out of context to make you look like a selfish asshole. I can't prove that he was ever quoted out of context, but I do remember Sanjay Lal laughing about it with Holmes after it came out, so I think that it was obvious that Holmes wasn't taking a shot at Geno there with the whole "I can't throw myself the ball." Now all that being said, seriously, would holding onto the fucking football make his foot hurt any more during that play?! I've never experienced that type of injury before and I'm sure it hurts really REALLY badly, but how did throwing the ball away help the pain in his foot?! That's what pissed me off about that play, he just said "fuck it, fuck this play, fuck this game, fuck the jets, my foot hurts and i just don't give a fuck." Now I don't know for 100% that that's how he felt but it sure did look that way after watching the play again.
Portrayed by the media???? Really??? In every other case around here everybody despises and distrusts the media. Not when it comes to nasty things said about Holmes, though.
I loved Cotchery. IMO the fact that he wanted out doesn't mean he wasn't a team first guy. After all, players can only do and say so much. If he thought the direction the team was going in was wrong and he thought they were going to go backwards or were bringing in low character types that were going to change the atmosphere and working conditions, why should any good player want to stay if he wants to be part of a quality work atmosphere and win? Also, there is a time to think of one's own self. He had been a great Jet and had given his all on the field, and been a great teammate and citizen, and had always put the team first. If he felt disrespected, underpaid, or thought that they were phasing him out, I don't blame him for wanting to go elsewhere. It's not like he was a team owner. He was an employee, and like most employees, when they think they are unappreciated, aren't being paid what they're worth or the work environment goes down the tubes, we look to move on. The relationship goes two ways. If the team isn't showing him any respect or appreciation, why should he stay and grovel? I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for him. I still love him. The Jets should only have as much class as he does.
Nah Derek Mason was supposed to be Cotchery's replacement. This was only after Cotchcery asked for his release.
He still deserves another shot with a full off season of preparation rather than rehab. Last year he may have come back a little bit early. He had the right attitude, he wanted to play badly. The guy wants to be a Jet and he's willing to take a pay cut. He knows his production hasn't been great lately, but he was overcoming some very difficult circumstances, and hasn't had good QBs throwing him the ball. The last good QB he had was Big Ben, and he produced well. Whatever's in the past is in the past. He's a classy dude, and I love how he trolls the media. Saying he's injury prone is an exaggeration. I'm proud of him for the going through the excruciatingly difficult rehab process, that required 2 surgeries, 6 months apart. Unfortunately, he was never really in full football shape and he pulled a hammy on top of everything else. With all that said, he's way overpaid and hasn't lived up to his contract. It's not completely his fault. Cutting him and resigning him to a prove it type deal with incentives would be ideal. Do you really want to see what happens when Holmes has an elite QB? For Holmes it has been, Mark Sanchez and a raw rookie QB that was thrown into the fire before he was ready. Is dodging a tackle as important as breaking one?
It's hilarious! I remember at first they were all like, "Look at Holmes! He's baked! OMG!" Don't get me wrong, I love Cotchery, and wish we kept him, but he didn't want to be 3rd fiddle. It wasn't Holmes, it was the Plaxico move that pissed him off. I remember right after we signed him, Cotch demanded out. He was fine with being a #2, he just felt he earned the position(despite being #3 the year before), and then they replaced him with a dude that hadn't played in 2 years. Of course he ends up on the Steelers as their #3 and plays a similar crucial role like he did for us, except with fewer targets. If Cotchery stayed, he would have been a great #3 or 2, and probably would have kept Plaxico mostly playing in the red zone. Now that I really think about it, it must be because they ditched Braylon, his lover. I bet the farm that if they resigned Edwards, Cotchery would have stayed. Cotchery was standing up for his soul mate. Sorry, no more back flips for you. I dunno. QBs can take a knee and be ruled down, so one would think that if you get injured, bring yourself to the ground and throw the ball in the air it would be considered giving yourself up and thus be ruled down.
Yeah I don't believe those reports saying Holmes was a good teammate from the media, they always skew things. But those stories of him being selfish, spot on. Great reporting, we need more accurate reporting like that. Seriously, I see why Holmes' is disliked by fans. I don't agree with most of it, but maybe my view is probably clouded because I remember the good plays he made and how he plays when he is healthy. I also still think Holmes' injury+fumble shouldn't have been a fumble because he was giving himself up/it was a forward pass if anything but that's a different story
You saw him dodge a tackle? He had one solid game last year and then poof gone. Does Geno get no love for the perfect pass that literally any #1 receiver would have took to the house? It was awesome, don't get me wrong, but then the party was over. I just don't think he's that good anymore. At this point in his career I honestly think Kerley and Nelson are better receivers. I don't think there is a market for him bc other ppl don't think he is that good anymore. There is an attitude that comes with Holmes that isn't worth the roster spot, a sense of entitlement bc he proved glimpses of excellence earlier in his career. He got old, he didn't take care of his body, he never was able to get back to the level that ppl consider elite or top tier. The bitterness of fans, including myself, is that he got paid to preform and he underachieved. He lost his hunger when he got paid. Flashes here and there, but he never was consistent; and I'm not going to blame Sanchez or Geno for that.
Am i the only one here that think moving santonio to his rightful position (AT #2... NOT #1!!!!) is an upgrade assuming we find our #1 via free agency or draft. All his success since pittsburgh came there (and with marky mark in 2010). He's still a baller to me. He cant be asked to be a number one though. With a good TE and a #1 that can spread the field for him and kerley we'd be just as dynamic as anyone else. Were simply asking for too much of him at #1. on top of this he's willing to stay for a pay cut . I dont see why were releasing him after he's pretty much begging to stay. HE IS NOT GARBAGE SO WHY ARE WE DUMPING HIM?!
"I’d love to play for him the next couple of years, and even retire here, he and I both,” Holmes said. Is he fucking kidding... He's got an obviously inflated view of his value to the team. He's as good as gone.
I will indeed be laughing when he's still on the roster next year and everybody's butt hurt about it.
If the Jets cut him and do not bring him back at a lower number, it will be interesting to see where he ends up and how well he does. Of course he may have lingering health issues. So that is a big variable. But I think if he's healthy he will be a contributor where he ends up.
Not even the steelers want their SB hero back at this point: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...nt-return-pittsburgh-steelers-ike-taylor-says
