Official 2013-2014 College Basketball Thread

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  1. Yisman

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    No, FT disparity doesn't always mean that, but all I can give you is stats. I watched the entire game and I knew it was unfair. If I just said that, you'd say that's subjective. So I offer FT disparity. Way out of whack against them and if you go look at their other games, it's never like that.

    I didn't wake up this morning and look at the box score and say it must've been unfair. I'm saying I watched and knew it was unfair, and any unbiased person who watched that game would say the same.
     
  2. JStokes

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    College and pros sports are different. Adult men understand that.

    I went to Syracuse, my wife went, my 2 sons went/go. I was the starting goalie on the Syracuse Club Hockey team for 3-1/2 years, was the starting second basemen on the Syracuse Club baseball team for 1 year. I worked out at the Manley Field House with Joe Morris, Pearl Washington, Ronnie Seikly, Danny Schayes, Bill Hurley, Art Monk and a bunch of players you've never heard of. I didn't pick up any of their towels, there were trainers there that picked up my towels just like they did for real football and basketball players.

    Having no connection to a school other than liking their colors as a juvenile is ok, developing that into a compulsive obsession is pathetic.

    But that seems to work for you.

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  3. nyjunc

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    such a sad, little man. I feel bad for you. What is juvenile and pathetic is bragging to people on an anonymous message board.

    Unlike you and your self esteem issues I don't need to go into my history.
     
  4. JStokes

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    There are no unbiased fans here. Except for me :D

    Seriously, I didn't see any disparity, not in this game and not in the Duke game. Calls go both ways, everyone gets ticky tack fouls--Big East teams are just going to have to adjust their game to the ACC. Less street ball, more finesse.

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  5. JStokes

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    Oh, you mean your history and connection to UNC? All those years on the couch screaming at the refs? Whining about it on an internet message board?

    YOU suggested I wasn't good enough to pick up their towels, I'm sorry I ruined your image by suggesting to you just the opposite. I know it stings, next time don't ask questions you don't know the answer to.

    Nothing wrong with my self esteem--pretty happy where I've been.

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  6. Yisman

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    I think they adjusted their game well to the ACC considering they dominated the ACC until the loss to BC. They won their first 12 conference games.
     
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    I meant the fouls and the less physical play of the ACC.

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  8. Yisman

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    I'm aware. I'm saying that hadn't been a problem.
     
  9. nyjunc

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    I don't buy your story for a second, now if you said you were a shortstop I may have believed it.

    You have serious self esteem issues, you didn't got to Harvard, you went to Syracuse.
     
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    they had a weak ACC sched w/ very few road games. As the sched has gotten tougher they have played more close games and lost games. There wasn't any domination.
     
  11. Yisman

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    They beat UNC by double digits, they beat Duke, they beat Pitt twice, and 5 of their first 12 ACC games were on the road. Of those five road games, they won four of them by double digits. That's not "very few road games", and they dominated on the road too.

    Now it's not domination because they have lost twice, but when they were 12-0, it certainly was.
     
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    Carolina was playing awful basketball, the news of the suspension was fresh. they were still trying to work McDonald into the lineup. Remember, they started -3, 1-4 in the ACC and were thumped by Miami and Wake.

    Pitt is vastly overrated, their best win is over a bubble team in Stanford.

    so 7 of their first 12 were at home? (and 8 of 13) the 5 road games- Va Tech, BC, UM, Wake, Pitt

    The first time they faced a currently ranked team on the road was the other night at duke
     
  13. JStokes

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    Our shortstop was phenominal I was a second baseman all through high school and college. Interesting you don't believe the 2nd base, yet you don't question at 5-3 7/8ths I was an ice hockey goalie? I've got the pics to prove it just in case you call me on it.

    And I don't have any self esteem issues--I'm incredibly proud of my alma mater, I wear my SU sweatshirts and t-shirts all the time, my kids wear them, my parents and in-laws and my kids grandparents proudly wear them. Just bought my son a CJ Fair autherntic jersey that he loves. I have my SU National Championship Sports Illustrated framed cover in my office and at home.

    I WENT there--my family WENT there--I PLAYED there--Orange runs through our blood.

    Don't tell me you wear UNC hoodies or t-shirts. Or have your kids wear them. Or you have a framed UNC Sports Illustrated cover hanging in your house or office. That would be awful, talk about self esteem issues.

    Where did you go to school? Wait, you went to Harvard didn't you and you're too modest. Good for you.

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  14. nyjunc

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    w/ all that said SU is a very good team. Good teams tend to get the benefit of the doubt more often. officiating, schedules, etc. are not why SU is a top 5 team.
     
  15. Yisman

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    Currently ranked is irrelevant. Pitt was ranked when Syracuse went there and beat them. That loss is part of the reason they are not currently ranked. They were ranked at the time, that's what matters.

    7 of the first 12 games being at home is hardly lopsided and that's not "very few" road games, that's very damn close to even. Change one home game to a road game and it's 6-6.

    They played every good team in the ACC except for Virginia during that stretch.
     
  16. nyjunc

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    I question that too but I was making a joke.

    I know you want to show us pics, it's those self esteem issues again.

    You should be proud of your alma mater but you don't need to come in here and put others down to make yourself feel better.

    You played intramurals, you didn't play for Syracuse so stop w/ that nonsense.

    I wear Carolina stuff all the time as do my kids. I love Carolina, didn't go there but I love UNC. sorry that offends you.

    I am very modest, I don't have self esteem issues needing to try and impress people I don't know on an anonymous message board.
     
  17. nyjunc

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    why was Pitt ranked? b/c they had a good record beating no one, Pitt's best win is over Stanford. Carolina beat preseason #s 1-4 but we all know those aren't the 4 best teams in the Country.
     
  18. Yisman

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    The only way to accurately evaluate a win is to look at the opponent at the time.

    Example:

    Team A visits Team B. Team B is ranked 15th in the country. Team A blows them out and wins by 25. The game was never close after the first 5 minutes. As a result, the next rankings come out and Team B is no longer ranked (because of that horrible home loss). You then say Team A has zero good road wins because they haven't beaten a "currently ranked" opponent on the road.


    UNC's opponents' preseason rankings are irrelevant. What were their opponents ranked when the games occurred? No one uses preseason rankings. You may as well say UNC beat a team that was ranked #1 five years ago.
     
  19. nyjunc

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    I agree a bit but Pitt never deserved to be ranked. they weren't ranked in either preseason poll, they had one decent non conf win and feasted on bad teams. they lost at home to the only good teams they faced and were crushed by duke. they have 2 wins in their last 7- both in OT, one at Miami, one vs. Va Tech
     
  20. Yisman

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    That's subjectivity.

    If you're using rankings, then yes, Syracuse has beaten a ranked opponent on the road, whether you say they should've been ranked or not.

    And preseason rankings don't count. It's what the rankings were when the game occurred.
     

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