What do you disagree with above? I think for the most part it's spot on. I could nitpick someone like Tommy, but otherwise, it's review of our players on contract and how they played last year.
While I find the majority of it fair, the idea that Wilkerson is not a full-on "elite" DE is an egregious error. Not only does almost every advanced metric bear it out, but he is easily the most high profile player on the defense at this point. To get the most clear-cut/obvious/easy grade wrong is a little bizarre to me, so I don't really think that's nit-picking.
Oday Oboushi, Will Campbell, Zach Sudfeld, McIntyre, Hill and Holmes won't be starters for us next year.... So, yeah......
Pretty accurate assessment of the lack of talent on this roster. Again this is why this offseason is so crucial for this team. I'd expect the Jets to have a completely revamped roster by TC. Potentially $30 mil in cap space, all these extra draft picks, this offseason is the first chance to truly evaluate Idzik's ability to acquire top talent. Let's see how well he executes his plan.
I think Milliner's rating is pretty fair, but comparing that to Coples' is logically inconsistent. Clearly they discounted his early problems with injury and adjustment period to playing new roles in the defense, but how could you rate his production and upside for next year as worse than Milliner's? Dee came on strong in the last few games and Coples did just as much averaging 3 tackles and nearly a sack a game through the last 5. Plus when Coples wasn't at his best he never came close to singlehandedly losing games for the team which Dee did probably at least 3 times. Maybe Milliner's long term upside is higher than Q's idk but certainly not for next year which is what the list is going for. I'm expecting a breakout year for Coples which the list shouldn't reflect because he hasn't done it yet but if you're going to put some green on Milliner's circle how can you not for Coples? Makes no sense. Then to call Davis a below average starter with no upside is just as insulting, he had 107 combined tackles in his 2nd year in the league, first as a starter. Harris didn't do much better than that in his prime and Demario is more athletically gifted. Then they give the over the hill veterans more credit than deserved which is a nice nod I guess but it isn't really reflective of the true strength of the team when you break it down individually. On the other hand I couldn't agree more about guys like Winters and Bohanon in red, commentators, analysts and posters gave those guys way too much credit all year for providing 0 production. These were late round rookies that looked the part after a season and only started because of how hopeless the offensive depth was in the first place. The list is accurate in those areas, but definitely not correct about aging vets and promising young players.
This was a tail of two tales...the writer was fairly spot on until he reached the "Coples at this stage of his career mark." Ummm...stage of his career? Isn't he just now going to hit his 3rd year mark this year? What state would this guy be talking about? Other than that I think he was spot on. I'm kind of in the camp of we earned our 8-8 ranking. Just as we squeaked out the Tampa win and NE 2nd win...we SHOULD have beaten NE the first time etc... I think we did over achieve a little but it's always hard to say. If we can resign Howard, add some depth on the o-line, TOTALLY REVAMP the WR corps. with only Kerley returning we could contend. I think our secondary will be O.K. with a healthy, and resigned for cheaper, Cromartie and an addition at the safety spot. But, overall not a bad graphic.
I watched the games last year, and several other games as well. The NFL is a league right now where mediocrity prevails. Not many teams better than 10-6, and not many worse than 6-10. Add in a weak schedule, and I don't see how the record made what PFF said wrong.
Regarding the record the Jets played three very weak teams for their last three wins. I wish I could be more optimistic about the finish. But I really can't. I mean Miami couldn't score against Buffalo the week before the Jets played them. They were in the tank already.
It's pretty accurate imo. with a few exceptions. wilk obviously needs to be upgraded to full elite (blue) demario and coples should be upgraded to adequate with solid potential (yellow w/ green border) antonio allen should be upgraded to adequate (yellow) bohanon should at least be in the orange
Exactly. The roster at the moment is still incomplete. Its actually a bit ridiculous for this publication to analyze/judge an incomplete roster.
PFF isn't valid IMO. They over analyze stats that involve other factors, and positions that affect it. For example they said our Oline was top 5 in 2012, then this year they are worse and give up more sacks and QB hits than we did with Wayne Hunter in 2011, but they say that the pass protection was decent despite being on of the worst in the league while the run blocking was rated one of the worst in the league despite having the #6 rushing game in the league and averaging near 4.5 a carry. In general, I feel advanced stats do not do them justice. You can crunch numbers, but it always takes 11 dudes to make a play happen. Every situation is different. Stats never tell the whole story.
Important to remember too a bunch of those oranges are young guys with talent that will hopefully continue to improve.
But what do you disagree with in the picture posted? Remember, PFF gives grades, but they watch every single play for a player. You might disagree with the letters, but they do watch every play according to their site. You contradict yourself. You say they over analyze stats that involve other positions and stuff that affect it. Then you list off stats and credit it to just the OL not the QB or RB. Then you say it takes 11 players to make a play happens, exactly what you criticized PFF for and then ignored when listing your stats. But again it doesn't address what do you disagree with in the picture? It seems pretty spot on to me. Many people here have said the same, the talent is in our DL and we lack offensive skill position players. I can nitpick a few things like always, but this is pretty spot on for the players currently contract. Come first game in September, I expect this list of starts to look different
I can't call Wilkerson "elite" after this past season. He needs to have a few years of this level of play.
^If they are assessing the current talent level, then Wilkerson doesn't need a few more years at this level. He's there. You are referring to elite, more like they refer to QBs, but you wouldn't agree Wilkerson is a top 5 DE? In general, I feel that it is a poor assessment because they neglected the free agents from last year or this year. In other words they did this at the dumbest possible time, so this evaluation indicates nothing about last season OR this coming season. How can you evaluate the talent on a team without including the free agents? We didn't start Campbell or Aboushi, so to include them on the chart but not put Austin Howard, Calvin Pace and others only brings the overall grade lower than it should be. That's why it's a joke. Plus Wilkerson's elite. Also where is Antwan Barnes? Did the Jets cut him when I wasn't looking? I thought he had another year on the contract. And which Antonio Cromartie were they watching this year???? They watch all of his plays and came up with THAT? He's way over ranked, and Kerley should be green. I don't agree with their Coples analysis either. Both years he had to adjust to new roles and both years he began doing really well once he caught on. That shows versatility, and that he is much more valuable than they are letting on. I guess I didn't articulate the point well enough. I wasn't crediting it to just the OL, I was citing stats that go against their claims, but they seem to not factor in as strongly as they should when they are ultimately the end results. I feel that their formula for rankings is wrong. My point was that you can't ignore the most important pass protection numbers for a line when factoring that in, and it skews the stats when you look at nothing but 1 individual on a play, rather than everybody's role. Advanced stats in general, are nothing more than over-analysis of numbers that only tell a small piece of the story. It just gives folks who love numbers something to do. PFF had our 2011 oline at #12 btw.
QB hits can go up with a decent line if the Qb holds onto the ball too long. As for the running game I think Ivory rated quite high for yards gained after the first hit. That metric I think for PFF is one where they can rate run blocking as mediocre despite a higher yard per carry average.
I don't completly disagree only slightly. I'd turn Mo Wilk blue, Kerley and Coples green and Demario Davis yellow and Bohanan yellow.
Well that's what they are judging, who is currently on contract and played last year. Wilk has a line around him saying he is on the verge of elite. Kerley has the same line around him to be green. It's hard to judge Kerley when he was hurt some of the year and playing inconsistent. Cromartie had his faults, but overall he did tighten things up and the Jets left him on an island less. Remember, some of his TD passes could be at the fault of the safety too. They are ranking how the player played and boxed the player where they think they can go. This isn't potential. The box is how they played in their role, the color is potential. You'd rather see potential than actual, that's more of a problem with what they decided to picture instead of their analysis. They look at one individual and how they performed in the play. They don't isolate they individual. If a QB holds onto the ball for 10 seconds and Howard eventually lets his man sack Geno. They don't say that's a bad grade. From what I understand, Geno gets the blame for the bad play and Howard gets a good grade for holding off his man for so long. Advanced stats have been more accurate than "traditional" stats at predicting winners between games. So it's more than just over analysis. Some of it definitely is, but others help tell a story that goes past "The jets gave up X sacks this year, their OL is (good/average/bad)" They're a useful tool and the way PFF color coded this picture, I think for most of the players they are spot on.
