Jets at End of rope with Stephen Hill(pft)

You know what blows my wad about this guy? With the LACK of talent the Jets have had in the WR Corps...especially last year...this guy didn't see the opportunity and seize the moment. Starting about mid-year through the end he was almost an afterthought for other teams' secondaries. When I went back and was doing my re-watching of games he was almost always single covered. WHEN he was in that is. Either the Jets completely whiffed on him, he was not motivated or a combination of the two because he blew a tremendous opportunity. Hell, if there was one thing Geno Smith did right consistently was throw a fairly decent deep ball. What a waste. I say don't let the door hit you where the lord split you...

 

I read this yesterday, I doubt they cut him but Idzik has no ties to Hill so it also wouldn't come as a surprise if he was dropped. The fact is he has been a huge disappointment and I'm starting to think he has bad knees. He has top end speed but looks stiff on the field and no WR instincts whatsoever. Still a little premature but he is starting to have bust written all over him.

 

Lets face it though, this guy is not going to ever become anything more than what he has shown. Receivers should be able to enter this league and be able to play by year two if not year one. We are going into year three now, this isn't a QB we are talking about, this is a WR. Year 3 we should not be expecting him to blossom.

 

He's only 23-24 years old. They should give him one more year IMO. I do understand why they want to get rid of him. But some receivers don't catch on until their 3rd or 4th year. I think with another year he can be productive.

 

i half agree with you, he should gt 1 more summer, he isn't on scholarship any more though and if he can't play special teams he is going to have a hard time making this roster as a 4 or 5 wr.

 

How can you blame him? Hill has not proven to be anything worth a damn since we drafted him. He has had flashes of good play, but nothing consistent that shows he is growing in an NFL offense. I think he deserves one more year, as many have posted, and then let him go if need be. I do not think he will be anything special unfortunately. He hasn't shown much of anything

 

As predicted, this kid will not make it through TC. Possibility of 2 to 3 new wide receivers could push him off the depth chart. He doesn't play special teams neither.

If we played the Bills 17 times a season I would say extend this beast, but that is not the case.

 

It would be no loss to the Jets if Hill were cut. Time to focus on getting difference makers in here at the WR position.

 

With the WR depth chart as it is there's no way Hill is cut this year. He's cheap, and a huge guy with lightening speed. There were many times Hill would be open but Geno never pulled the trigger deep to him. I'm not going to go back and re-list plays. But when this kid is healthy ( hopefully he can figure that part out ) he can take the top off of defenses.

I can't believe some of you guys are blaming him 100% for the lack of production. You do know Cumberland was our leading WR in TDs last season right? With 4. No WR on the Jets did well. You know who's throwing Jeffrey the ball? You know who's playing WR on the other side? Do you know who's playing in the backfield for his team?

Right... They're in exactly the same environment and it's fair to compare them apples to apples in hind sight..... /face-palm. Alshon Jeffrey on the Jets is the same player that Hill is. A physical specimen with underwhelming stat line.

It would be silly to cut him before even camp when we have no one else even close to his potential on the depth chart. It would be incredibly silly for them to not let him play out his contract here.

Drafting a raw prospect like that, and then dumping him year 3 or 4 would basically equate to us grooming Hill for another team to come in and put him in a situation to succeed.

I don't know if it's just NY Fans or Jets fans but what the hell is with this "Everyone should be 100% ready to contribute day one coming from the draft"? Aside from a few outliers there are very few WRs who come out of school and are able to pick up the game right away. It used to be that 2nd round WR's wouldn't even get playing time until year 2 or 3. If we had the depth to support it that would be Hill and he would be given time to learn the trade. Give the kid a break.

 

I wouldn't cut Hill. I don't think he played much if any special teams for us, so that's a downside. But at the same time, we are going to have a group of mostly average to high potential receivers. I don't think we can afford to cut Hill. As Idzik said, starters aren't announced in February and Hill will have to fight for his job. Idzik has no ties to him, but unless he severely underperforms or gets hurt, I would keep him on the roster

 

I bet if the Jets draft Brandon Coleman from the Rutgers - he'll beat out Stephen Hill in TC.

Leave it to the guy with the Stephen Hill avatar to be the only guy to support him still like this. He can't catch, he doesn't use the physical talents God gave him, he has no awareness.

 

Leave it to the guy with the man in an orange jacket in his avatar to make a post like this.... /sigh.

Man this board is full of so many tools. It's a good thing there are actually some people who enjoy having a decent intelligent conversation. I wish there were more of them.

For those wondering; Instant gratification or bust is not I repeat IS NOT the only answer to succeed in the NFL.

As I CLEARLY stated "As the depth chart is now", I meant that if the season started as is. There is no way we cut Hill. Letting raw players grow and develop on the roster is how you build a solid depth chart across the boards. If we draft someone that impresses and can start right away you're absolutely right that he could possibly start in front of Hill, However that still wouldn't absolutely guarantee Hill is gone.

I would take Hill over Salas and Hakim 10/10 times.

The only real knock on Hill is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy with his knee. Other then that he's doing exactly what everyone thought he was going to do coming out of school. Show flashes but struggle with consistency and being a complete WR. Anyone who says otherwise had unrealistic expectations.

For the record I like Hill a lot but do think he was drafted to high for what he was coming out of college. But that absolutely does not mean that I think he's not 100% worth the spot on the roster and has potential to be a #1 WR in this league with enough experience and learning ( and a QB who can/will throw him the ball )

 

Two things:

1. Sanjay Lal
2. Mark Sanchez + Geno Smith

It would be a shock if he did anything within half semblance of performance. The ONLY receiver under Lal's guidance that did anything useful was Kerley. Think about that.

 

what did everyone really expect, hill caught less than 20 balls in college, he was a complete project from the get go, raw as can be, another terrible Tannenbaum pick

 

This literally makes no sense.

Intelligent conversation? You are talking Stephen Hill up as if he's some average wide receiver! Not a good start for someone trying to have an intelligent conversation.

Usually a player makes the most improvement from year 1 to year 2 - Stephen Hill actually regressed with a QB that throws a better deep ball then the previous QB (Sanchez). Stephen Hill's strength is taking the top off the defense right?

It makes no sense to cut him now, but he might be a cap casualty during TC if he doesn't step his game up against any new WRs coming in.

What a load of bullshit.

 

right, it only happens to the Jets. no other team has drafted a bust and another team drafted a great player afterwards.

it happens to the Jets because it happens to every team. it is just the nature of the draft.

 

IMO this could be of the areas where Rex's lack of attention to the offense and his not being anywhere near a complete HC has hurt the team. Supposedly, at least according to all his supporters, he's a great motivator. Well, where has he been with Hill? Why hasn't he gotten in Hill's ear and said how much the Jets need him and how great he could be, blah, blah, blah. I actually don't think that motivation is the problem (either on his part or Rex's), but I could be wrong. Based on things I've read about him over the years, he works pretty hard in practice and worked pretty hard at GA Tech. I'm not sold on Sanjay Lal being a good WR coach, and the Jets haven't had any quality veterans to mentor him, either. I think they have to give him at least through TC. If he shows little progress by the end of TC and the Jets have several other young WRs who have potential and who seem to be progressing/improving, then I'd say they can cut him loose at that time. At most, he ought to be given through this season to start producing with some consistency. If not, then he needs to be shown the door.

 

Yes, That was my intent. Who cares what my avatar is. Does that make my opinion and more or less valid?

Never said that, He's obviously got underwhelming numbers and I said that in my previous post. My point is that there's absolutely no reasoning behind cutting him when he hasn't reached his potential, and we have no one signed to take his place.

I don't know where this year 1 to 2 thing comes from. For as long as I can remember it's ALWAYS been season 2-3 that WRs seem to "get it". But yes.. Top tier WR prospects coming out and turning it on in year 2 is pretty common. Stephen Hill was never that. We always knew he would have a lot of work to do, and by all accounts he's been doing that. If he shows NO improvement this year there's a chance he doesn't make the roster, But I"m not sold that we've seen his ceiling. And Honestly i'm not so sure how any of you are.


Also - Geno was a rookie QB who was having a hard time running an NFL offense. I can't honestly say that he's a better deep ball thrower then Sanchez was.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/29/three-years-of-deep-passing/

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