Yeah, I've disliked this turd for a long time. SundayJack started a NFL turd draft maybe in Incognito's first or second year. I did not enter the "league", but I did tell someone to draft Incognito.
Is this serious? If so you have some serious issues that you should manage. That is just terrible. Martin is a victim. He should not be judged for STANDING UP FOR HIMSELF and leaving a situation that he could no handle. He was brave by being open about the bullshit and really shed some light on some really nasty shit that should never be tolerated in ANY business setting, even an NFL locker room. Nobody deserves that. To say he didn't stand up for himself is ignorant. Actually your entire post is quiet ignorant. Which leads me to believe that you may need to re-evaluate yourself. That is just terrible.
Martin is a worthless pussy. A sign of the times. The whole next generation has brought up to be a generation of huge pussies, and he is their poster child. Anyone remember 'sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you'? If he was physically assaulted, he should have gone to the police. If he was harassed in the workplace he should have went to management, the union, or just ignored it. That's what adults do when other people call them names, ignore them for the fools they are, not abandon our jobs and flee in terror. Incognito is clearly an asshole. Life is full of assholes, get over it and move on.
Unbelievable and sad you think that way. Have you even read this? http://63bba9dfdf9675bf3f10-68be460ce43dd2a60dd64ca5eca4ae1d.r37.cf1.rackcdn.com/PaulWeissReport.pdf
If I only had a choice between those two, it's an easy choice, Jonathan Martin. He's young and has potential still, where as we know what we have with Vick, an old injury prone QB who is decent when healthy (quite rare), and he would most likely bring a ton more controversy.
I'd love it if we signed Martin and he turned out to be gay as well. It would piss so many asshole Jets fans off, hopefully to the Pats.
Look at the date of my post. it was well before the report came out. at the time we had the texts which, based on that info, clearly showed a friendship instead of bullying. after reading the report (glancing at it but still, reading enough of it to get a better sense of the entire picture), its clear that people crossed the line and no, he did not deserve that treatment, and i was wrong to call him a liar. it also showed that clearly, martin, as well as many others involved, need professional help. martin definitely has depression issues that he needs to deal with. i sincerely hope he does and gets better. HOWEVER, he did not stand up for himself, in the traditional sense. he turned this into a media circus. he destroyed the team. its a complete mess. is it all his fault? absolutely not. i totally get that our media is a monster that LOVES stuff like this and will always take it far beyond where it needs to go, but he knew that. with his mother being a high-powered attorney who specializes in cases specifically like this, you know they knew that. and you know that this will lead to a massive lawsuit and this media coverage is clearly a tool to sway public sentiment. hell, it clearly worked on me with the texts. i for sure thought there was no way martin was treated that bad that what he did was right. clearly i was wrong. but i still cant support the way hes handling it. mainly because i dont see anywhere in there, and maybe i missed it, where he tried to get this taken care of quietly, or went to his head coach or GM or someone of significant power WITHIN the organization. if he did and they blew him off, then he did stand up for himself bc he had no other choice, but if he just went public right away like it seems right now, then he did not.
Yep you firmly jumped on the 'Martin is a biaatch bandwagon' and now you don't even have the class to completely back down with your "However" after ALL the facts are presented. Its patently obvious you glanced through the report .
I totally agree. I can't believe that anyone would want that POS playing for the Jets. Some fans have no class.
no shit its obvious i glanced at the report. i clearly said i glanced at the report. also clearly said i jumped on that bandwagon. so whats the point of your post? to point out that i still dont agree with how he handled it? bc there is nothing wrong with that opinion whatsoever. i fully admitted to jumping the gun on my stance about martin and what happened. but i dont have to like that he went to the media immediately. i dont have time to spend reading 142 pages about a miami dolphin who wont be on an NFL roster this season. unless you want to show me where it says he went to anyone that could help him out here, then my opinion on his handling of the situation is a valid one. you may not agree with it, but its certainly valid to have wanted to see him go the internal route first, before blowing up the situation.
Its the yeah I was wrong, then the 'However'. Even with factual evidence you're still going on about him being in the wrong. What the report says it that it does say the best course of action WOULD have been to deal with it in-house, but Martin felt that he would be further ostracized or even face retaliation from other members of the team. Many people that suffer abuse think this way and there's no reason to think that JM is any different. You really have to read the entire report to understand the gravitas of the situation instead of cherry picking info , but because you don't have anytime at all to read a short document its on page 37. Sorry I can't post a quote.
let me make this clear, he is not wrong in taking action. i dont for a second after reading this report, think he is wrong for taking action. i think not going internal first was the problem for me. once again tho, thats my OPINION. and (as you pointed out, and thank you for that) his OPINION was that he would get more crap if he did make an internal complaint first. i do respect that. i dont agree with it, but i respect it. as for why i dont agree with it, it mainly has to do with my seeing these situations in my younger days when i played sports in high school. saw it with football, but saw it MUCH worse with wrestling. in football it never got past a point where another teammate didnt step up and say "ok, we get it lay off" sort of thing. in wrestling it did get to the breaking point. and a team captain was even involved, as it seems was the case here. it was handled internally, and, after some punishment from coach, of course, the other team captains stepped up and made sure it didnt happen again. i get every situation is different, and that these guys, from what i have read, are the cream of the crop in terms of assholes in a lot of ways, but that still wont change my opinion on the not handling this internally and as a team matter, first. not when i believe that it could have worked, if handled properly. going straight to the media punishes the entire team, even those who were not involved. it turns it from a team issue to a jonathan martin vs. the team issue, immediately. that part could have been avoided. we will never know tho, because that avenue was never taken.
