If you have time watch this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jcCSU-sFRs Lee has boom or bust written all over him. Has the speed and the route running ability but his hands and technique are a HUGE question marks at the NFL level.
The last sentence is probably the least consideration for me. I never liked or wanted Holmes. He had one good season for us. One minute I love Lee and the next, the way he catches the ball scares me to death. I've seen very few catches where he really extends his hands away from his body and snatches the ball out of the air. He really lets the ball get into his body. It's hard for me to tell on the grainy clips if he's truly making those catches close to his body with just hands, or if he's also using his chest/abdomen to help him pull the ball in. If it's the latter, and he can't adjust, which probably won't be easy and will be akin to Geno having to adjust to the footwork and taking snaps from under center, I think he may not be a very good NFL WR or at least a very inconsistent NFL WR. Robinson, I just haven't seen enough of him to have a good grasp of what he has to offer. Looking at the WR comparisons at http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46136/349/out-of-the-box, he hasn't run many deep routes, and a lot of his intermediate routes are sideline routes. He seems to have good YAC ability, to be pretty fast, have pretty good hands, and comes back for the ball, all qualities that I like and think whoever the Jets pick needs to have. Why don't you like Adams? I have never seen him play a live game, but after I started reading about him, I have seen some clips and like what I see. He seems to have excellent hands, is pretty fast, good YAC, and is supposedly a good blocker. He's around 6'0 and he sounds like he'd be an excellent fit to me on the Jets. You may be right about that, but I have seen him projected to rise to around 18 in the rankings following the Combine. In that scenario, the Jets wouldn't have to miss him or reach. They could also possibly trade down. That makes sense, and you could be right, but I think he's a hard worker, and between his size, work ethic, and athleticism, I think he could find a way to contribute early while he's working on refining his route running.
I agree, but think Beckham, Lee or Cooks with their speed could be deep threats as well. In addition, if the Jets are able to sign Maclin, he's another possibility, and I haven't totally given up on Hill. If Watkins, Evans and Ebron are all gone at #18 and none of the top OLB prospects are there, and no other WR prospect is ranked that high by the Jets, then I would definitely love a trade down. Trading down to #28 might be a little far for my tastes. That low they could miss out on players that I'd really love to see them add like Beckham, Ford, Van Noy, or Cooks, but maybe not. Adding a 2nd rounder would be sweet. Another option might be trading down with Cleveland and get the #26 pick they got from Indy, and then get their 1st pick in the 3rd round. That would work out in our favor by 50-60 or so points, but if they were desperate enough they might do it. I wouldn't give up our 4th to make the trade work, however. They're actually not just 1-2 or players away. Their OL needs some serious upgrading, they need a topflight WR, and could use some upgrading in their secondary. They had a ton of injuries in their secondary this past season and got great play from all their depth there. I don't think they can count on that again. They may lose Captain Munnerlyn (a starter) in FA and couple of their backups. I'm not saying they would be immune to trading up, but Gettelman has a Giants background and I don't think he's very likely to be the trading up kind.
As I said in another post, the Panthers are more than 1-2 players away. I wouldn't expect them to trade up if I were you. I doubt if Rivera will have that much of a say in the draft, and if he does, he's gonna want better DBs. That's the weakness of their D. They're great vs the run and rushing the QB, but their DBs are all jags with the exception of Charles Godfrey. If they lose Hardy in FA, they'll also need another pass rusher/DE.
Their DB's are their weakness on D but in fact they are still pretty good. I think they are a shut down corner and a stud WR away from being a very good team.. Hardy will stay IMO he fits their scheme perfectly.
I definitely think the Panthers will do everything they can to keep him, but I don't think they're in great cap shape. I could be wrong about that. Some team could throw a lot more money than the Panthers can afford or they're willing to spend. Their OL is highly overrated. With two very, very good RBs and Cam Newton, they could hardly run the ball much of the time this year. They aren't great in pass protection, either. Khalil is a stud. The rest are meh. If I'm the Panthers' GM, if anything, I may be looking to trade down and trying to add 1-2 quality WR prospects, a topnotch CB, another S, maybe 1-2 more DBs, and 2-3 OL.
I'm liking Allen Robinson more and more. I'm hoping we grab two receivers early. I still think that Hill could some day be productive, but this years WRs are something we can't miss out on.
Robinson is someone im warming up too as well. I like his size, strong hands and routes a lot. He needs to work on his pure speed but has good football speed. Would love him with the Bucs 3rd or even a 2nd if we dont grab a WR with our 1st
JEFF JARVIS WR PROJECTED 5TH ROUND 6'3'' 220lbs 4.3 40 and looked liked he has the best hands at the combine this guy looks like the real deal i dont care what happends in the draft please grab this guy in the 4th round
Where did this Jarvis kid go to school? What are his college stats? I've never heard of him. Surely you can't mean Jeff Janis. He looked awful in the Sr. Bowl.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brandin-cooks?id=2543498 Brandin Cooks WR Oregon St. Grade 5.85 ? 4.33 SEC Top Performer 16 REPS 36.0 INCH 120.0 INCH 6.76 SEC 3.81 SEC Top Performer 10.72 SEC Top Performer Blue Star = Top Performer 5'10" Height 30 3/4" Arm Length 189LBS. Weight 9 5/8" Hands More Combine Video Overview 2013: Biletnikoff Award winner (as nation's top receiver), first-team All-American selection and first-team All-Pac-12 pick. Set single-season Pac-12 records with 1,730 receiving yards and 128 receptions. Led FBS in receiving yards and finished second in FBS in receptions. 2012: Biletnikoff Award semifinalist and honorable mention All-Pac-12 pick. Had five 100-yard receiving games. 2011: Played in all 12 games, starting in three. Started first game of season, becoming first true freshman to start season opener at OSU since Roddy Tompkins in 1996. Misc.: Nicknamed "Sonic Boom". Step-brother, Maurice Washington, was in Oakland Raiders training camp. Analysis Strengths Light on his feet with terrific balance. Sinks his hips with ease and pops out of breaks to separate. Tracks and adjusts. Quick hands. Good concentration, body control and boundary awareness. Can turn a short throw into a long gain. Shows elusiveness, creativity and vision after the catch. Unafraid to play in the tall trees. Highly productive -- totaled 195 receptions for 2,881 yards (15.4-yard average) and 21 TDs in last two seasons. Confident and competitive. Has been exceptionally durable dating back to high school. Team captain. Will be a 21-year-old rookie. Weaknesses Size is just adequate -- is small-framed and lacks ideal length and bulk. Vulnerable to the jam and reroute. Relatively small catch radius. Has small hands and double-catches some throws. Lacks elite, blazing speed to run by NFL corners and safeties. Will struggle to play "above the rim" at the next level. Was not an impactful punt returner. Limited run strength. Poor blocker. Bottom Line Short, speedy, nifty-footed receiver who was unaffected by the departure of Steelers 2013 third-rounder Markus Wheaton, establishing himself as a playmaker in his own right by leading the nation with 133 yards per contest as a junior. Projects as a useful slot receiver with run-after-catch ability and some utility as an outside receiver. -Nolan Nawrocki LOL at Nawrocki's comment that he doesn't have elite speed to run by NFL corners and safeties. What a doofus.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/odell-beckham?id=2543496 Odell Beckham WR LSU Grade 5.9 ? 4.43 SEC 7 REPS 38.5 INCH 122.0 INCH 6.69 SEC 3.94 SEC Top Performer 10.93 SEC Top Performer Blue Star = Top Performer 5'11" Height 32 3/4" Arm Length 198LBS. Weight 10" Hands More Combine Video Overview 2013: First-team All-SEC selection as all-purpose player and third-team All-American pick as all-purpose player. Was named Paul Hornung Award winner. Started all 13 games, and broke LSU single-season all-purpose yardage record with 2,315 yards. 2012: Played in all 13 games, started 12, and led team in receiving yards (713). 2011: Played in all 14 games and started nine. Analysis Strengths Quick hands and feet to slip the jam. Fluid and fast. Good balance. Sinks his hips and changes gears to create separation. Quick hands to pluck off his frame. Terrific leaping ability -- climbs the ladder to snatch throws. Creates after the catch -- shows burst and shiftiness as a runner. Has playmaking ability. Confident and competitive. Has kickoff- and punt-return experience. Productive three-year starter. Weaknesses Adequate height. Lacks elite top-end speed to separate vertically. Could stand to polish the finer points of his route running. Inconsistent making contested grabs -- can be out-muscled in a crowd. Has some concentration drops. Can improve as a blocker. Was not an impactful punt returner. Was held in check by Florida and Alabama. Bottom Line Talented, competitive, productive, inconsistent college split end who projects as a flanker or slot receiver in the pros, where a creative offensive coordinator can take advantage of his run-after-catch skills. Could be a productive No. 3 option with added value as a kick returner. -Nolan Nawrocki
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/davante-adams?id=2543495 Davante Adams WR Fresno St. Grade 5.96 ? 4.56 SEC 14 REPS 39.5 INCH Top Performer 123.0 INCH 6.82 SEC 4.30 SEC Blue Star = Top Performer 6'1" Height 32 5/8" Arm Length 212LBS. Weight 9" Hands Overview Two-time first-team All-Mountain West selection (2012-13). 2013: Second-team All-American pick after leading FBS with 131 catches and finishing second in FBS with 1,719 yards. 2012: Started all 13 games. Led Mountain West in all three major categories: 102 receptions, 1,312 yards, 14 touchdowns. 2011: Redshirted. Analysis Strengths Has a rangy build with good body length and big hands to palm the ball and make difficult one-handed grabs. Tracks and adjusts to the ball very well downfield. Extends outside his frame and plucks the ball out of the air. Natural hands-catcher. Terrific athlete with good leaping ability and anticipation to properly time jumps and highpoint the ball. Wins jumpballs in the red zone and shows very good hand-eye coordination to take the ball away from defenders. Exceptional production. Weaknesses Lacks ideal functional playing strength to consistently beat the jam and can get hung up at the line. Long strider and is not sudden out of his breaks. Production was inflated from a quick-hitting, lateral passing game. Bottom Line A long-limbed, sure-handed possession receiver with starter-caliber, positional traits. Lacks top-end speed and strength. As a 21-year-old, third-year sophomore entering the draft early, is still growing into his body and developing core strength. A poor man's Michael Crabtree, Adams possesses very intriguing upside to be groomed. -Nolan Nawrocki
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mike-evans?id=2543468 Mike Evans WR Texas A&M Grade 6.15 ? 4.53 SEC 12 REPS 37.0 INCH 7.08 SEC 4.26 SEC 11.58 SEC 6'5" Height 35 1/8" Arm Length 231LBS. Weight 9 5/8" Hands More Combine Video Overview Started all 26 games at Texas A&M. Had 2+ catches in every game, 4+ catches in 25 of 26 games. 2013: First Team All-American. 11 catches, 287 yards, 4 TD (including 95-yard TD) vs Auburn. 7 catches, 279 yards, TD vs Alabama. Five 100-yard games. Led SEC in touchdowns. Set school records for receiving yards in a single game, receiving yards in a single season. 20.2-yard per-catch average. 2012: Started all 13 games. Led team in catches and receiving yards. Three 100-yard games. 2011: Redshirted. High School: 25 receptions, 648 yards, 7 TD and 2 INT on defense as senior. 18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists on basketball team. Analysis Strengths Outstanding size and length. Functionally strong to power through the jam. Boxes out defenders and is a big red-zone target. Hardwood background is evident -- outstanding leaper with "above-the-rim" skills to go over top of smaller DBs and highpoint throws. Creates late, subtle separation. Tracks and adjusts. Makes contested grabs -- attacks throws and outmuscles defenders in a crowd. Nearly unstoppable executing back-shoulder catches. Strong, reliable hands. Very strong after the catch -- slams into tacklers, is a load to bring down and leans for extra yardage. Productive playmaker -- averaged 20 yards per catch in 2013 and showed up in big games (18-566-5 vs. Alabama and Auburn). Good blocker. Physically dominant and tough. Will be a 21-year-old rookie. Weaknesses Monotone mover with pedestrian speed -- cannot separate vertically or pull away from the pack. Unsudden acceleration. Stiff hips. Will have to make a living in traffic at the next level -- will struggle to separate vs. quick-twitch NFL cornerbacks. Did not run a full route tree and could require patience learning the nuances of refined route running. Backyard element to his college success -- must become savvier instead of depending on superior size and improvisational production. Can be hotheaded and lose control of his emotions. Basketball was first love. Bottom Line A prep hoopster with shooting-guard size, Evans combined with Johnny Manziel to form one of the most dominant quarterback-receiver connections in the nation the last two seasons. He’s a big, physical, strong-handed, West Coast possession receiver with playmaking ability who projects as a No. 2 in the pros where he will make his money as a chain mover and red-zone target. -Nolan Nawrocki
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jared-abbrederis?id=2543774 Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin Grade 5.2 ? 4.50 SEC 4 REPS 30.5 INCH 117.0 INCH 6.80 SEC 4.08 SEC 11.39 SEC 6'1" Height 31 3/8" Arm Length 195LBS. Weight 9 5/8" Hands Overview Two-time first-team All-Big Ten (2012-13) selection. 2013: Won Burlsworth Trophy (as nation's best player to begin career as walk-on). Played in all 13 games with 11 starts. 2012: Started in 12 of 13 games. 2011: Honorable mention All-Big Ten pick. Started in all 14 games at receiver with Russell Wilson at quarterback. 2010: Played all 13 games with two starts. 2009: Redshirted. High school: First-team All-State quarterback in Wisconsin for Wautoma High School. Also played defensive back, and led team to Division IV state championship as a senior. Ran track and wrestled as well. Analysis Strengths Uses his hands well to swat away press. Stems his routes. Sells his patterns. Nice hands. Good field and boundary awareness. Gives effort to engage and shield cornerbacks as a blocker. Outstanding football intelligence -- like a quarterback on the outside. Productive three-year starter. Mature and humble. Hardworking and coachable. Weaknesses Has a slender build and needs to bulk up and get stronger. Ordinary pop off the line. Builds to average speed. Could struggle to separate vs. quick-twitch covermen. Lets throws into his body and breaks stride to catch. Not an above-the-rim player. Straightlinish after the catch -- pedestrian agility and elusiveness. Has a history of concussions. Bottom Line A former walk-on, Abbrederis went from afterthought to scholarship player to No. 1 receiver. While the blue-collar overachiever lacks exceptional athletic traits for the NFL, he's a steady "X" receiver whose hands and smarts could enable him to work his way into a No. 3 or No. 4 receiver role. -Nolan Nawrocki
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jordan-matthews?id=2543500 Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt Grade 5.6 ? 4.46 SEC 21 REPS Top Performer 35.5 INCH 120.0 INCH 6.95 SEC 4.18 SEC 11.84 SEC Blue Star = Top Performer 6'3" Height 33 1/4" Arm Length 212LBS. Weight 10 3/8" Hands Overview Ended career as SEC's all-time leader in career receptions (262) and receiving yards (3,759). Also set school records for receptions, receiving yards and touchdown receptions (24). 2013: Third-team AP All-America and first-team All-SEC selection. 2012: First-team All-SEC pick after starting in all 13 games. 2011: Played in all 13 games and made 10 starts. Had three consecutive games with 100-plus yards and a touchdown. 2010: Played in all 12 games as a true freshman. Analysis Strengths Good length. Big zone target. Good form as a route runner. Sinks his hips and pops out of breaks. Concentrates, tracks and adjusts. Soft hands and sticky fingers. Has leaping ability to compete in the air. Opens up his stride in the clear and shows nice long speed. Good field awareness. Gives effort as a blocker. Competes and plays with intensity. Tough and intelligent. Lined up outside and inside and has punt-return experience. Team captain and four-year starter with record-setting production. Weaknesses Could stand to bulk up his frame. Adequate line release. Fairly linear. Not a quick-twitch athlete. Does not show elite explosion to separate vertically. Lets some throws into his body and is not immune to concentration drops. Limited creativity and elusiveness after the catch. Can be moody and has some diva in him. Bottom Line A relative of Jerry Rice, Matthews departs Vanderbilt as the most productive pass catcher in SEC history. He’s a tall, narrow-framed, West Coast possession receiver with soft hands, a professional approach and the versatility to line up inside or outside and become a solid No. 2 or No. 3. High-floor prospect whose timed speed could dictate his ultimate draft value. -Nolan Nawrocki
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/marqise-lee?id=2543475 Marqise Lee WR USC Grade 6.2 ? 4.52 SEC 38.0 INCH 127.0 INCH Top Performer 4.01 SEC Blue Star = Top Performer 6'0" Height 31 3/4" Arm Length 192LBS. Weight 9 1/2" Hands More Combine Video Overview 2013: Honorable mention all-Pac-12 selection after playing in and starting 11 games. Missed three games due to a knee injury. 2012: First-team All-American selection, first-team All-Pac-12 pick and Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year selection. Won the Biletnikoff Award (given to nation's top receiver). Led FBS in receptions with 118. Had eight 100-plus yard games. 2011: Was a second-team All-Pac-12 pick. Played in 12 games and started in eight. Misc.: With deaf parents, he learned to speak sign language. Analysis Strengths Very good athletic ability. Is a nifty runner after the catch -- can navigate through traffic and create with the ball in his hands. Can shift into top gear and run by tacklers -- terrific acceleration and short-area burst. Fine route runner -- understands how to set up defensive backs and has an innate feel for coverage. Understands how to manipulate man and zone coverage and can create separation when he needs to uncover. Very good hand-eye coordination. Tracks the deep ball very well -- has a knack for running underneath it. Attacks the ball and plucks it out of the sky. Very good competitive, functional playing speed. Has game-breaking return ability -- exceptional vision and traffic burst. Weaknesses Average size and run strength. Does not break many tackles. Was slowed by nagging injuries, and body is not built to withstand a lot of punishment. Can do a better job securing the ball through traffic -- has shown a tendency to flag the ball. Long-term durability could become an issue. Bottom Line An extremely motivated, dynamic, playmaking receiver, Lee's junior season was plagued by shoulder, knee and leg injuries and a revolving door at head coach, where he cycled through three. Showed all the traits desired in a No. 1 receiver early in his career and has overcome a lot of adversity in his life to get to this point. -Nolan Nawrocki
