Brady is the ultimate "do you value playoff wins" QB. Because Brady was not a great player when he racked up playoff wins. He became a great player afterwards. Yet when people mention why Brady is great, they say "3 SBs". It's such an odd dichotomy
It's the twitterization of legacies. Unless you can fit the narrative into 140 characters, somebody will lose interest. If you have a fulsome discussion of the greatest's careers, it's certainly in the discussion. Montana was so much bigger, obviously, than The Catch, but that's what people immediately default to. Elway and The Drive or the helicopter run/hit. So much more to the discussion of the greatest QBs of all time of all time, but that's where we are today. _
Yeah, I can't separate Brady pre or post any bright-line period in his career. He's an all time great--not because of 3 SBs or playoff runs or any of that. If you look at the totality of his career--he's one of the greatest of all time. All just opinion of course. Splitting hairs about when he did what or why he didn't do it again is just that, splitting hairs for no reason. _
There is such scrutiny today. Montana was a phenomenal player, but people today act like his legacy is untouchable. When he played an all-time great D, the 1986 Giants, he lost 49-3. People forget that. When he played another great Giants D in 1990, he scored 13 points. He is a top-5 QB of all-time, clearly, but I don't see him as having any better traits than guys like Peyton and Brady. He was just more fortunate.
Brady is a top-5 QB of all-time. But when you ask people why, they will point to the 3 SB wins. That's not why he is. He became a great player later in his career, earlier on he was just ranging from above average to very good.
Talk about unfortunate, I think Marino was better than all of them but he gets no credit because he's got no rings. :grin: _
Are you telling me, Brady with his weapons would magically take the win against that Seattle defense? Are you fucking nuts? Brady in his 16-win season couldn't defeat Giants defense for crying out loud.
but that didn't start in modern times, and it certainly isn't comparable to twitter. it has always been. those plays or series symbolize what made those players great in the totality of their careers. Montana did so much more than "the catch" or his SB winning drive, but that throw and that drive exemplify why he was great. they sum up his entire career. Michael Jordan did more in his career than the game winners against the Cavs and Jazz, but those plays are representative of his greatness. there is nothing new about this practice.
I think I'm agreeing with you, but I can't punish Manning because he doesn't have that one defining moment. _
You can't convince me Marino throws it better than Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is basically Marino with serious mobility.
Not even twitter by itself, just the ability to have sports 24 hours a day via TV and internet. You needs to create discussion, controversy, something to talk about. To me what solidifies Brady as an all time great is his MVPs and All Pro teams and his domination of the QB position in 2007 onwards. If Brady never won an MVP, could you really call him an all time great? In my mind, no. How could you be an all time great if you were never considered the best QB in a season. So his play from 2007 to present day raised him in my rankings from great QB to all time great. His ability to play the QB position rose to new heights and his ability to cut down on turnovers is historically amazing.
I would not try to convince anyone of anything, who do you think I am? :lol: But yeah, IMHO Marino was a better thrower than Rogers. With today's rules his numbers would have been stratospheric. _
Two differences for me: Rodgers is so much smarter than Marino, it's not even close. Marino is Brett Favre-dumb. Rodgers can move and make plays on the run that Marino could only dream of.
Only 3 times pre 2004 did a QB throw over 40 TDs Marino with 48 in 1984 Marino with 44 in 1986 Warner with 41 in 1999. Including when Peyton broke the record in 2004, since 2004 it's been done 7 times. We need to find a way one day to create a simulation like Madden where we can drop players onto different teams from different eras and then see how they do. Would make things so much more fun. By we, I mean someone much more smarter and capable than me can create this
And for me, Marino's arm talent made up for it. Some guys just can't run, would you ding Namath because he had bad knees? Btw, QBs were not the cerebral animals back then as they are today. Hell most football players have higher football IQs then back in the day. Terry Bradshaw was dumb as a stump. He could play, though. Different time back then. Marino is an all time great in my book. _
I don't think Rogers is in the same class as Marino, as good as he is. If Marino managed to win one ring he'd be in the discussion for goat much more often.
The guy threw for over 5000 yards in 1984. Back when you could legally mug receivers and destroy QBs. If he played in today's NFL with the panty waist rules he'd throw for 8000 yards in a season. _
Marino is an all-time great, but he's dumb and turnover-prone. Just like Favre. Rodgers is far more cerebral. Not to mention Rodgers is significantly better. Doesn't it say something that in today's pass-happy age Rodgers has lapped the field in passer rating? No one is even close and he's basically top 3 all-time in the playoffs too. Rodgers will probably go down as the GOAT if he has another 5 seasons like this
