Sanchez has a winning attitude, he wants to be successful that is what makes Mark a better QB, a drive to be successful. Orton is happy to just receive a check. Talent wise you could call it a push - both don't do anything exceptionally good. I know a QB with a loser mentality when I see one, Orton is just that. Orton ALWAYS makes mistakes at the most inopportune moment (case and point week 17 against Eagles). And he always puts up big numbers when his team is down to the point where they won't win. Where's the post-season success? If you can't win post-season games with the QB, ultimately you cannot win with that QB. You see what's going on with Andy Dalton right now? Remember Vince Young? They won games in the regular season, but they don't have any post-season success. VY is now out of the league.
So I am wrong about Orton? Feel free to actually bring something intelligent to the conversation instead of posting old irrelevant videos. What makes Orton a winner? Would love to know.
it's not about orton w/ these guys, it's about bashing Mark. pathetic people always need a whipping boy to spew their venom at.
Appears to be the case. It's fucking immature, when it comes to Sanchez - all logic flies out the door. I want to move on from the guy, but he had more success here with the Jets then Orton did in his entire career. Both were part of some decent teams.
What was bullshit was you thinking you know Sanchez has "a winning attitude" and thinking that Orton is there to collect a paycheck and is a loser. You're obviously full of it with that bullshit argument.
Kyle Orton who went 1-4 with the same Broncos team that went 7-4 with Tebow. Their teammates backed Tebow 100% and gave no fucks about Orton. Why you ask? BECAUSE HE'S A LOSER. I suggest watching clips of the 2011 season, and prove to me that Orton is not a loser. Read some articles. You are so fucking close-minded it's pitiful. Seriously. Mark, I believe while not very talented gave it us best effort every Sunday. Orton was famous for throwing games away late when the team had a chance to win. The kid is a loser. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/30/kyle-orton-i-just-threw-a-bad-pass/ http://www.metnews.org/insight/opinion/kyle-orton-lacks-clutch-gene/ Read the articles, observe the situations, observe the way he talks to the media. This sounds like a losing mentality to me. "I just threw a bad pass" - where is the "I need to get better?" Put the fucking pieces together, use your brain and it's freaking obvious. Only someone that is blind due to Sanchez hatred doesn't see this.
I want a QB that has a winning mentality. Having that confidence in your team and within yourself can go a long way (such as playoff wins). Please prove to me that Orton has this quality over MS.
Did I even say anything bad about Sanchez while pointing out how stupid your comments were? You literally made up fake facts and tried to pass them off as an argument. Somehow you've concluded that me pointing out your obvious bullshit makes me closed minded in your mind. Got it. You guys sound more and more like tebots every day. Dead serious.
What makes Sanchez better than Orton? After 4 years you do have an idea what he is though. And history has shown us that within the last 15 years QB's that start slow never really turn into a good QB. Only Eli, Alex and Stafford were able to do it.
There is nothing wrong with what I said, what I said was 100% truth. The attitudes of both QBs are like night and day. Orton does not show any passion for the game, or the attitude to show he's a leader (he doesn't even try). Read about Orton from 2011, the last season he was a starting QB. If you cannot see this then I don't know what to tell you and I believe we are both wasting our time arguing this.
I'm sure Orton has a winning attitude and wants to be successful too. It just doesn't mean that he's a starting NFL QB. You think Mark is "better" then say Orton makes mistakes at bad times? How many of those has had? Postseason success doesn't tell the whole story. If winning games was all that matters then Tebow would still be in the league.
nyjunc, Mr. Electric, Ass of Face, UnskilledKenny, MBGreen, NDmick, IATA, scikotic. You're right, not that many. :beer:
I don't see how I am like a Tebot when I don't believe in any of the QBs we have on the roster. I find it cute that when people disagree with the "higher ups" on this board, they are automatically classified as a Sanchez fan, or Tebot. This isn't High School grow up dude.
you need to show the ability to play the position also. Orton is an accurate QB - he can pick up a playbook and learn an offense so he's not dumb. But those are the only qualities he has going for him. He's going through the motions out there pretty much. Tebow never exhibited that ability. Tebow would still be in the league if he weren't a stubborn idiot and he switched positions. The assessment of Orton is he is content with mediocrity. That is not a winner in my eyes. I want a QB that can play the position smart, and have a winning mentality. That is not Mark Sanchez no doubt about it. That is not Orton also.
It's not TRUTH dude. Are you really so delusional that you believe what you're writing? It's YOUR OPINION. These aren't FACTS you're talking about. And when you try to spew your OPINIONS as FACTS and TRUTH you're going to get called on your bullshit. All Tebow does is win.
I recommend taking some time to google about Kyle Orton, as that is where I got my facts. The argument I am making is derived from Orton's record as a starter, what teammates think of him, what FANS think of him. 1 out of the 3 are opinionated. Even so, there opinions weigh far more than anyone else and deserves mention. Tebow has a winning mentality, but unfortunately he can't play the QB position if his life was on the line. If Tebow wanted to play TE / FB (and actually practice and converted to the position) - I would LOVE to have Tebow on this team. I also posted two links. Post evidence that rebukes my post. PROVE to me that I am wrong. if you cannot prove that I am wrong, then don't say shit.
Arguing Sanchez vs Orton is fucking pathetic - I don't want any of them as a Jet and I wanted to move on a while ago.
I don't need to prove anything and LMFAO at you telling me "don't say shit". What? You're trying to tell us that you know the attitude and drive of Sanchez and Orton. In order for that to be the case you would need to have personally spent time with each of them to understand what makes them tick. Unless you have proof that you have had this type of personal interaction with each of them then it's very obvious that you're full of shit. So just stop. Posting some opinion based articles proves nothing. Well, nothing other than you're as delusional as a tebot.
