Nah, I don't think I will get over "the dog thing" to the point where I would want him on my team: Hanging and electrocuting man's best friend. Lot's and lot's of abuse. ...
As long as you can admit your opinion on Vick has nothing to do with football we can move on. I expect you to be equally judgmental on all Jets players character though, so please don't root for any Jets that have hurt people.
You got anything remotely comparable to what Vick did on any Jets player? Please share. LOL at "judgmental" though. Vick was damn lucky to get a second chance in the NFL after what he did. I can't actually ROOT for a person who did that...cruelty, torture, and murder of animals for entertainment, sport, and gambling. I draw the line way before THAT. Do you judge ME for holding his actions against him? Going to jail doesn't erase it. We're talking about being a fan here...I'll NEVER be a FAN of somebody that did what he did. Forgiveness or whatever is a different issue entirely. He doesn't need my forgiveness. I don't particularly like him as a player either. Yep.
Huh? I think you missed my point. The Jets are currently rebuilding which means that we are developing players right now. In the case of Geno Smith, he's a young QB that's still learning the game. So we don't need a young backup QB that can't really teach him anything. We need a vet in place while we continue to develop Smith.
I don't like what he did either, but I'm not going to dwell on it. If he can help the Jets win, and I think he can, I'd like them to sign him. I don't judge you at all, I just ask that you're consistent. If Sanchez raped someone are you going to post pictures of the damage?
I don't disagree with that, I'm saying if the vet is better, play the vet. You said Geno gets the snaps and the vet "steps in when needed". I think we are much more likely to find a 2-3 year answer at QB, than we are to strike it rich looking for THE guy to last 10 years and dominate like a Brady or Manning. Geno could be good enough with talent around him, but a Vet could be better with the same level of talent. I just don't think we should give the job to Geno for the sole reason that he is younger. He hasn't proven much yet.
I totally agree. I want no part of Vick on the Jets. I want to win, but not at the point of selling the team's soul.
No, not that rapist, either. I'm not so desperate to win, even after 50+ years of rooting for this team, that I'm willing to bring in criminals, scumbags, locker room cancers, druggies, or players who are in the NFL only for the money and lifestyle, etc. I don't expect them to be choir boys, but I expect them to be reasonably intelligent, be law abiding, have a love for the game, and who have self respect, so that they: will be available to play for the team and not in jail or on suspension by the league; won't make critical mental mistakes that will cost the team games; won't be a distraction and/or cause dissension in the team chemistry. I want players who are professionals, who are mentally and physically disciplined who will work hard to maximize their talent and to stay in shape, who give 100% effort all the time, and are team players, not selfish, "me" type players. I want players who not only want to win, but like Lombardi, think winning is everything and will bust their ass to help the team win.
From a football perspective he could compete w/ Geno in this offense from day 1. If he loses the job, you can surely count on him as your back-up over the grueling 16 weeks. Morally? Hey I'm not gonna let my love of dogs stand in the way of the Jets becoming a better football team.
It's not always black and white though. Last year Geno didn't get all the reps because he was in a competition. This year he needs all the reps, to me he's shown enough for me to be comfortable giving him another year. We're rebuilding and giving the job to the vet is going backwards. Even though Reed might be better I'd rather Allen,Bush or Jarrett getting those reps over Reed. Same thing with the QB position. Vick might be better but Geno had upside and we need to give him all the reps and go with him. Now if Geno stinks then Vick can easily step in and run the offense.
LOL @ the Vick Defendants... The man is a twisted individual and obviously has something wrong with the way he thinks about other conscious beings. I'm blown away by that some of you guys are comparing this to Mark Sanchez alleged rape. Which was non-violent, as they couldn't prove "force" ( so maybe even a non-existent ) and which he was totally absolved of all charges. Some of you think that's the same as being convicted of torturing and murdering animals for your own amusement and running an animal fighting organization? But it's ok because he went to Jail for a year, Yet Sanchez still has to take flak for something that may or may not have happened to him in his freshmen year of college? You all hate him a whole lot eh? For the record, this is not rape, This is a silly girl, making dumb decisions and hoping to profit from it. This conversation is nuts and should be enough of an indication that the man would cause some type of issues coming here, Locker room or otherwise. He's not a good person and I'd rather not have controversy in the locker room if we have a dog lover or 2 on the team. This isn't even getting into the football aspect of things ( And I don't think he really fits there either ). He's old, injury prone, and has never been a cerebral QB. The only advantage is that he's worked with MM before with limited success. I don't think that's worth the price tag he's going to command. IMHO.
To me it's not about slamming Sanchez. His play allows for enough of that. It's also not about whether or not he was guilty of something or comparing the crimes. The point is that people seem to care more about dogs than people. If it were your daughter that Sanchez "didn't rape", I'm sure your opinion would be different. And in any case, we care about a football team. I'm sure there are several goons on the Jets, and no one gives a rats ass. For those who claim they only want to root for good guys, I hope they're investigating every player before they root for them.
After reading the article, If I had a daughter and she did something like that I'd probably punish her. Sounds like girl got drunk and slept with someone that she either then regretted, or wanted to drag his name through the mud and bump her popularity at the school. If she was dragged into the back of a bar and then Sanchez friends stood guard outside the bathroom it's be one thing and I'd probably find Sanchez and punch him in the dick. But that's not what happened. She willingly got into his bed, took off her clothes, and stayed with him. Then continued to have conversations with their friend and hang out afterwards??? To say that anyone here cares more about dogs then humans I think is a severely misguided summation of this conversation. I've stated a few times had this happened to humans Vick would be facing the death penalty and I'm DAMN sure none of you here would be defending him at that point. To say what he did to these animals is repairable by 2 years being locked up is crazy. As I've said before to do the things he did to those animals, and not have any remorse, you have to have a few wires crossed. I'll say it again, This conversation should be enough of an indication that the man would cause some type of issues coming here. Locker room or otherwise. He's not a good person and if it came down to it, I'd rather have a team full of people who are generally on the same page about humanity and how conscious beings should be treated. Then have one more aging playmaker on our team.
Women are often made to feel like they did something wrong when they've been raped and don't follow through. We don't know what really happened. Of course you would punish your daughter after she told you she was raped. Good guy. You'd fit right in with the cops that act the way they do. I'm not even defending Vick. I think he's a dirtbag for what he did. I'm over it. I think most reasonable people are. Can he help the Jets? That's all that matters. He's kept his nose clean since he got out of jail.
I guess i'm just not totally sold that he would help the team enough to make it worth while. I'm just not sure signing Vick gets us closer to being a winnign team and he probably will command a higher price tag then most of the other vets. Agree to disagree but IMO, Bringing in Vick is just asking for more trouble then it's worth.
