Well Now You Can See How Far We Have to Travel

Honestly, Russell Wilson didn't need to do much to win this game, Denver sucked really bad.

Wilson made a ton of 3rd town conversions with his legs which were pivotal. Geno can do that too.

 

This is interesting because I felt the exact opposite watching the game last night. Wilson wasn't asked to do much, But when he was he did it well.

If anything, IMHO, last night proved that we're a lot closer then people think. the front 7 of Seattle absolutely dominated the game last night. Obviously the level of corner play definitely affects the QBs options, But that game was won on the line. Moreno was bottled up and everytime Peyton dropped back to throw they were totally up in his face swatting balls and making things difficult.

I think w/ Rex, Idzik, and that front 4 we have the foundations. Lets get some window dressing ( read: offense ) this offseason and then see where we're at. I for one am pretty excited.

 

I'm hoping we can use this off season to hook Geno up with some legitimate targets. TEs & WRs are crucial. We should also draft some more o-linesmen. I think our RB core is fine with Ivory/Powell/Goodson. We really need pass catchers and help on the oline. A legitimate young FS and pass rushing OLB would be nice as well, although Barnes will be returning, a bigger stronger guy could compliment him as he's more of a speed rusher.

 

I'd like to see more speed on the defensive side of the ball... specifically, replace Pace and both safeties. To me that is the real difference between the Seattle D and the Jets D. The Jets D is very good, but it doesn't have the elite explosiveness and speed that Seattle's D has. The good news is, it has been a theme of building the team so we know it is at least being thought about, even if not fully brought to fruition yet.

On the other hand, the Jets offense is a long way away from being a competent unit. The offense needs a ton of work.

 

You're never that far away. Seattle had back to back 7-9 seasons in the worst division in football by far in 2010 and 2011 in Carrol's first two years. Won a division title with a 7-9 record. Nobody in their right mind would have thought 2 years later they would be Super Bowl champs in perhaps the strongest division in football 1 thru 4.

 

The difference between the Jets and the Seahawks last night was a game managing QB, an explosive play maker and a very cheap set of linebackers and defensive backfield playing on all cylinders for the whole game.

It's not hard to see the Jets putting the formula together and getting there with some luck. The problem is they need a few things that are not easy to find. The Jets haven't had a dominating safety in my lifetime. The Seahawks have two of them. The Seahawks linebackers are very disciplined in pass coverage and they swarm to the ball after the catch. The Jets haven't had that kind of action going in quite awhile. The Seahawks offensive line is solid and sets the baseline for the entire offense. Again this is something the Jets don't have at the moment.

I have no problem envisioning the Jets scraping 10 wins together in the regular season and then getting hot with the right formula. It's just hard to see them being consistently dominant without another personnel overhaul and we're just past stage 1 of the rebuild process now.

 

Looking at the safety and cornerback play of the Seahawks, would anyone be surprised if we draft Clinton-Dix (or Calvin Pryor if his stock rose that high) or a CB like Gilbert or Dennard at #18 if they fell to our pick?

 

Another comparison to Seattle is that while I feel Smith has upside potential, we presently have nothing to base him ending up as good as Wilson. I can understand why some here might call Wilson a game manager, and he did miss some wide open opportunities last night. But he picks his spots running it, and gunned some nice passes in there, too. Plus other than some missed passes he did not make any mistakes with the football.

Wilson was better than Smith in Wilson's rookie year, too, compared to Smith's. So add that to the list of what Seattle has that the Jets do not.

 

Limit turnovers and draft elite players with your 3/4/5/6 round picks.

Run the ball and create turnovers.

Seattle did an incredible job this year.

 

if you watched that game and said to yourself, " ma I wish we had Russel Wilson and Seattle's offense", you may be a gigantic idiot

 

i agree we still have a lot to work to do.

In terms of QB, we are a ways off.
Wilson's game is really growing on me. While he doesn't jump off the stat sheet, they don't need him to. He converts 3rd downs in clutch situations regularly, whether it be nice passes or improvising with his legs. He also protects the football. We need Geno (or someone else) to really start improving in those 2 facets.

WR and TE obviously needs a ton of improvement.

RB I'm ok with Ivory and Powell. A better 3rd receiving threat would make a nice addition, but overall we are not bad there.

RR is definitely as innovative as Carroll on D. But innovation isn't how Seattle won. They were inspired, physical, and had a chip on their shoulder. I believe Ryan is very capable in providing inspiration and passion as well.

You didn't mention Seattle's secondary or LB's, but they are way better than the current NYJ group. I think their Oline is a couple ticks better too.

So yeah, lots of work to do, but its not insurmountable.
We need to use the FA money wisely. That will yield the most immediate impact. Drafting well is what will set us up for the future. Hitting on some late draft gems is something that can put a team over the top.
Next year won't be it, but I can see us on the right path with some good FA moves over these next 2 offseasons. This offseason will be fun, as we have a lot more flexibility now to affect change.

 

the difference btw the 2010 Jets and the 2013 Seahawks was Seattle legitimately has a big time D while we did not. We had a very good D. QBs in postseason were similar, they had better RB, WRs were comparable, we had better OL but they had a MUCH better pass rush and were better everywhere besides #1 CB.

 

I agree that we have the talent on the DL, but not at LB. I also think that Carroll is head and shoulders above Rex as a HC. Carroll's players love him as much as Jets players love Rex, but the difference is that Carroll evidently coaches/teaches his players better and is better at developing players. Seattle's roster is full of low-round draft picks and UDFAs, and they all produce. The same cannot be said of the Jets. Seattle's players are disciplined and play tough, smart and play consistently. The Jets can play tough and/or smart on occasion, but don't do it with any consistency, and I don't see the same discipline that I do with Seattle.

Our DBS and offense aren't even in the same country code as theirs. Everything will have to fall perfectly for the Jets for them to be anywhere near the Seahawks present level within 5 years. Idzik and Rex will have to be correct on the types of players they want, be able to find them and get them on the Jets, then get them to produce consistently.

 

I was honestly not all that impressed with the seahawks offense last night. They weren't dominant, Just played mistake free and made a few big plays. Harvin was a game changer for them.

As for the talent level I have to agree that we don't get as much out of our mid round picks, But hopefully that will shift with Idzik and co making their impact.

I think what Rex got out of our roster this year with an unready, rookie QB, is nothing short of a miracle.

 

what did you expect? they got out to a lead, should they have taken chances to increase their #s? Wilson played a Sanchez like game and I know you like Mark. I was very impressed w/ what they did on O especially considering they couldn't run the ball.

 

Comparing us to Seattle is unfair, Seattle is not your typical Super Bowl winner. Other than the 49ers, I really think Seattle was just VERY far ahead of the rest of the league. The best team won this season but in most seasons that does not happen. The Jets need to be able to reach the status of the Ravens or the Giants who won Super Bowls.

 

I guess that's what I was trying to get across, that they didn't do anything special and they didn't have to. Play mistake free football and move the chains when you can. That plus a great defense and you can see the result.
Point is, You don't a need Peyton manning MVP like performance from your QB to win a Super Bowl.


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I saw the same thing you saw. I believe Rex and company saw it earlier than that when watching Sanchez. A qb has to be able to get yards with his feet as well as his arm. Stay in the pocket quarterbacks are not the NFL's future.

 

Well, their offense isn't flashy, but they're effective and efficient. Wilson is underrated and he produces consistently and doesn't turn the ball over. Lynch produces pretty consistently. While they may not have a topflight WR, every WR they play contributes and produces. You don't see all the dropped balls or receivers not getting open. Their OL keeps Wilson clean and generally opens holes for Lynch. They kept the chains moving enough to score what, 34-35 points? That's pretty impressive imo.